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Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Post by baxtr »

iamacyborg wrote: post #77
paranoidrobot wrote: post #4

I think this is the wrong approach. If they have issues with people abusing the revenue model by publishing white noise and generating fake plays - go after that. However the 1K streams per track thing is going to negatively impact small artists who might have relatively large collections, but few over 1K annual streams. If it's a processing cost issue then make it so that payouts need to meet some reasonable minimum…

Just cancel your Spotify subscription. I did, and now use a combination of Roon and Tidal. I have a much better listening and discovery experience through Roon and artists get paid more with Tidal.

Same here. I am on Apple Music. I like it. The automated playlists are way better on Spotify though.

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Post by wokkel »

AtNightWeCode wrote: post #28

The 1k streams limit will probably only financially effect "artists" that spams the platform with new tracks. It is not like it will make any difference for real artists.

So by your definition a real artist should have more than 1000 plays. I listen to small artist from my country which will probably never reach a global audience and they definitely do not get 1.000 plays but are verified artists according to spotify. This policy basically drives more drivel music and leaves out alternative and indie bands. It's a bad policy that needs an investigation by the authorities to force Spotify not to discriminate smaller artists.

Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Post by spookie »

kredd wrote: post #141
isodev wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a part-time indie artist, one can do a lot with $50 you get on the side from streams. Also, what is Spotify going to do with these 50$? What if it happens twice, 100$... do they pay you back eventually? Perpetually free access to all their premium services?

I'll take this bad faith argument, and give you even a worse one - $50 is about 5 drinks or less at a bar with tips nowadays. I genuinely doubt a serious person who makes music on the side will look at that number as a potential loss of income. And if you have made 200 songs (so loss of $100), all streaming less than 1K each, maybe your current production is not marketable on Spotify, and yeah, maybe you should find…

You're assuming every artist lives in a first world country. The problem seems a lot more severe under a more general lens.

Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Post by wokkel »

shmageggy wrote: post #189
iamacyborg wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just cancel your Spotify subscription. I did, and now use a combination of Roon and Tidal. I have a much better listening and discovery experience through Roon and artists get paid more with Tidal.

If only Tidal (or Qobuz, or...) would implement a Connect feature that allows me to control my PC desktop from mobile, then I would, but it's been on the "promised features" list for years now. It's a deal-breaker for me.

I use deezer and when I play a track on mobile I can continue it on PC. Is that what you mean?

Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Post by richrichardsson »

snailmailman wrote: post #11

I don’t know much about how music licensing works. But would this cause smaller musicians to decide to pull their stuff off Spotify? I listen to a lot of music on Spotify. And some of it is from smaller indie artists. Not a huge amount, but I’ve definitely listened to songs that are in that It surprises me how much of my Spotify library is no longer available. There’s at least a few dozen songs in my Spotify library…

I have roughly 25-30 tracks on Spotify.

They send me a monthly email detailing the number of plays I received as an artist, and it averages around 300.

So each track is getting around 10 plays per month.

So none of them come anywhere close to the minimum threshold.

I made around $10/year from Spotify plays, it's a pittance, but over all the streaming platforms I would get enough for a new plugin each year, this makes it "worthwhile".

I absolutely will not allow Spotify to have content on their platform without reimbursement.

The only people losing from this are the handful of fans who like my music.

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Post by iamacyborg »

shmageggy wrote: post #189
iamacyborg wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just cancel your Spotify subscription. I did, and now use a combination of Roon and Tidal. I have a much better listening and discovery experience through Roon and artists get paid more with Tidal.

If only Tidal (or Qobuz, or...) would implement a Connect feature that allows me to control my PC desktop from mobile, then I would, but it's been on the "promised features" list for years now. It's a deal-breaker for me.

Yeah Spotify Connect really is solid but that’s why I also went with Roon as it allows me to do that and more.

Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Post by RCitronsBroker »

that’s BS and in no way solving their very real bot problem. This wasn’t reported on worldwide, but here in Germany, it got some press due to local hip-hop labels being involved.

Malicious labels use click farms to push up the numbers on their artists, either by manipulating all platforms or locking their artist into Spotify.

This, in addition to other forms of manipulation such as playlists-aaS, isn’t just a ploy to promote their music. As long as farming clicks is cheaper that the payout rate, they can get paid for laundering illicit gains that way.

Re: Spotify demonetizes all tracks under 1k streams

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Post by mkl »

atoav wrote: post #54
snailmailman wrote: post #11

I don’t know much about how music licensing works. But would this cause smaller musicians to decide to pull their stuff off Spotify? I listen to a lot of music on Spotify. And some of it is from smaller indie artists. Not a huge amount, but I’ve definitely listened to songs that are in that It surprises me how much of my Spotify library is no longer available. There’s at least a few dozen songs in my Spotify library…

I am in a small and new band. In 2023 we earned roughly 500 Euros via Bandcamp (digital, physical and merch) 300 Euros selling merch on gigs 2000 Euros playing gigs 20 Cents on Spotify There is no monetary reason to be on spotify, the only reason we are on there is because fans asked.

How many Spotify plays was that?
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