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Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Besides the point here, but why is it so diabolically hard to decline cookies on this site?

I'm not sure cookie declining is the way to go these days. You can use "I still don't care about cookies" to stop the dumb pop ups and something like "Firefox Total Cookie Protection" if you don't want to be tracked?

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#192

I do hope that (for example) EU would force makers to provide a way to unlock the device and install any OS/distribution I want...

The EU wants to mandate 5 years of security updates, which is a lot more relevant to the immense majority of consumers.

One doesn't (have to) rule out the other?

Would it be OK if you were forced to use only the single OS that your computer came preinstalled with?

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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Not all courts have the power to set precedent. Small claims courts in England don’t.

The way it's been explained to me is precedent is often referring to rulings that start with the similar courts geographically to other ones.

It's not that simple either. Common law jurisdictions often use rulings at higher courts in completely different countries (as long as they are also common law jurisdictions) as precedent if it helps come to a suitable judgment.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way it's been explained to me is precedent is often referring to rulings that start with the similar courts geographically to other ones.

It's not that simple either. Common law jurisdictions often use rulings at higher courts in completely different countries (as long as they are also common law jurisdictions) as precedent if it helps come to a suitable judgment.

Absolutely. Depends on the court, country, and how relevant it might be. A friend recently walked me through the order of precedent for one area of law

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#195
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Up until your comma the comment suited me just fine, but then... let's not get personal about developers' health issues. It isn't helpful, and there has already been an HN discussion on the topic that you've unfortunately exhumed. There has been great progress at solving problems that had come up during a sad time for GrapheneOS and CalyxOS.

I understand that position, but one can also not simply ignore the situation. It'd be okay if the project had removed the maintainer, but they did not, instead he just sabotaged the Mozilla location service discussion while purporting to speak in the name of the Graphene foundation. There is a responsibility to warn users about that risk factor.

GrapheneOS and CalyxOS are great at what they do, and the present situation for both is positive and good. It can be exhausting digging up old interpersonal stuff that does not have a technical bearing on the present, especially as there are/were health and wellbeing issues that are/were at play. Choose to let it go, for once and for all. Peace out.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#196

> This has set a basic precedent I would note that technically the small claims court in the UK does not set precedents. That would be the function of a higher court.

How so? I thought a precedent was just any case that has been ruled in a certain way, irrespective of the court it has happened in.

This is incorrect, courts have specific rules about what cases may be cited as precedent, and whether that precedent is optional guidance for the court it is presented to (persuasive precedent) or rules that must be followed where the decision conditions in the earlier ruling apply to the current case (binding precedent).

For instance, in a US District Court on most questions of federal law, as regards decisions of other federal courts: published decisions of any federal court can be cited as persuasive (most district court decisions are unpublished), and decisions of the Court of Appeals for the circuit in which the District Court is located, or of the US Supreme Court, may be entered as persuasive precedent.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#197
post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that position, but one can also not simply ignore the situation. It'd be okay if the project had removed the maintainer, but they did not, instead he just sabotaged the Mozilla location service discussion while purporting to speak in the name of the Graphene foundation. There is a responsibility to warn users about that risk factor.

GrapheneOS and CalyxOS are great at what they do, and the present situation for both is positive and good. It can be exhausting digging up old interpersonal stuff that does not have a technical bearing on the present, especially as there are/were health and wellbeing issues that are/were at play. Choose to let it go, for once and for all. Peace out.

No, that's sadly not true. With the stepping down having been cancelled and the recently repeated paranoid accusations in https://github.com/mozilla/ichnaea/issues/2065#issuecomment-... the present situation of GrapheneOS is far from good, it's an "absolutely do not use and do not recommend the project"-situation. This maintainer being active and continuing his bullying is way too risky for the users of the project (and the FOSS android ecosystem as a whole).

But let's indeed let it be here, it gets OT for the ASUS topic. The GrapheneOS warning just had to be mentioned as it was related to the bootloader re-locking.

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean Microsoft Windows which dropped support for Zen 1 with Win11 not even 5 years after Zen 1 was released? Meanwhile, Linux will still run on a 30+ year old CPU...

They said software support, not hardware support. You can take a win 95 gui app and run it on windows 10 without issue. You can’t do the same on Linux.

For many old windows games (and probably other apps) you'll actually have better luck running them on linux than a modern version of windows, thanks to wine/proton.

E.g. see this user report: https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/1743cec/almost_s...

Re: Asus refunds Zenfone buyer for failing to provide bootloader unlock tools

#199

Long is gone the time where unlocking bootloaders and installing custom ROMs was the best path to follow. Even if you are able to unlock it (with difficulties such as this one, or others that involve opening the device and soldering a shortcut), you will have a device where apps check for unlocked bootloaders and rooted OS, and forbid you from use the application.

This is rubbish. I'm running GrapheneOS and have left my bootloader unlocked, and there's no app that has refused to work. The only caveat is some of them need Google Play services. No, I am not rooted, but my last phone was rooted and there might have been one or two apps out of dozens that wouldn't work with root even with Magisk trying to hide the root status. Using a custom ROM is easily one of the beat choices I…

No, parent is 100% correct. Unlocking your bootloader trips SafetyNet.
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