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Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by kwhitefoot »

sph wrote: post #49
madsbuch wrote: post #31

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I have done some reflection on core democratic values. Especially to whether there is a more fair key than 1 person 1 vote. Eg. land is the main mandate for a country to controle. Should land be the key? The one with more land gets more votes. Whenever I think it out these systems collapses. If it was land that was the key for votes, the society would inevitable converge to a single entity owning all the land and all…

There is only one political framework that's purely focused with the freedom of its citizens, and it isn't democracy.

Enlighten us as to what the competing frameworks are then.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by overstay8930 »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #178
overstay8930 wrote: post #172

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Are you asking me if locked down devices are more secure when someone who doesn’t know how to use said device is using it? Really?

I'm asking you to prove the statistics of people being hacked in larger numbers because of open handsets, not that theoretically locked down ones seem more secure.

You mean the massive bot nets running on android and not on iOS?

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

jocoda wrote: post #26

I have no interest in distributing IOS apps but I would like to be able to install and run my own code on IOS. Right now I can install my own code on my iPhone but if I don't have a Apple developer account Apple will remove apps after a week. And presumably when the account lapses, so does the install. How, if at all, are these Apple restrictions affected? Are we still stuck in the thrall of Apple or do we get more o…

It's even worse, even with an Apple Developer account you still need to beg them for certain entitlements. No entitlements means no VPNs, no invisible push notifications etc.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by Rinzler89 »

cjk2 wrote: post #175
Rinzler89 wrote: post #145

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That sounds terrible indeed, I'm sorry to hear that, but anecdotes don't make a statistic. For example my parents had always been tech illiterate android and windows users and never got hacked or robbed online. >The only thing that keeps them safe these days is iOS. BS. If a resourceful and motivated actor wants to phish your credentials they can do it even if you use iOS as well. They can call you and impersonate yo…

I really dislike the anecdotes don't make a statistic line. As an actual qualified mathematician it pisses me off that my field is used in vain to discard experience. I mean would you ok if I waltzed into the middle of a town square and shot a load of people and said "well statistically you'll all be fine"? No I'm sure you wouldn't. It is not ok that anyone gets shot or their system ripped off with a keylogger. Not o…

You're fighting your own strawmen here. I never made such claims or draw such conclusions. Maybe stick to math.

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Post by dagmx »

nottorp wrote: post #183
dagmx wrote: post #177

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And how many times have you heard about someone rejected from notorization? It’s been a thing for years now on Mac with many, many notarized apps.

There's an example right in the article?

Which one? I see no mention of Apple blocking notarization of the app.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by arp242 »

kubb wrote: post #30
arp242 wrote: post #27

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I wouldn't say "always"; the freedom of gay people to have gay sex in the privacy of their homes doesn't affect anyone except themselves, and certainly doesn't infringe on the freedom of others. In other cases the restrictions of "freedom" are not really legitimate – e.g. the "freedom" to not see interracial marriage or something like that (and I did see some twat complain about that on HN just a few months ago). But…

That freedom of gay people does affect the freedom of religious fundamentalists to prevent what they consider sin from happening. But in general, there might exist creative counterexamples. I haven’t found any though.

I think that's stretching the meaning of "freedom" well beyond the point of usefulness.

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Post by happymellon »

_factor wrote: post #173
happymellon wrote: post #166

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I'm pretty sure I have a consistent copy/paste experience on my Fedora laptop, despite it being "open". Do you have examples of a "fragmented experience"? > I get less calls from grandparents asking for iOS assistance than Android, the interface is more intuitively laid out. I'm trying to think of a time that either my parents or grandparents called for support on Android. On iOS I've had plenty of questions posed, t…

Android is a good example. Open a few different apps an note the pop up diffeences base on whatever API was used. The biggest questions were widgets and audio issues. Apps they couldn’t find etc. I’m not advocating for Apple, but their system does have a few advantages that open source projects could take cues from.

Android appears to be the only example.

I don't see inconsistent behaviour on my BSD boxes either.

It's not open source that the issue here, despite it being framed that way.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickpp »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #181
nickpp wrote: post #168

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> Wide open computing has also enabled generations I totally agree with you. I love open computing! I grew up with it and it afforded me the chances in life that allowed me to get where I am today. And I hate what Apple has done to it and how it treats us, developers. But exactly because we want open platforms in the future, we need to be on Apple's side on this one. I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but we need to…

>But exactly because we want open platforms in the future, we need to be on Apple's side on this one. Tell me the name of your dispensary because I also want to buy what you've been smoking. >But exactly because we want open platforms in the future, we need to be on Apple's side on this one. It sounds counter intuitive because it totally is. >Because it's clear we need both closed and open platforms on the market - e…

> Why in the name of Christ do we need closed platforms?

Is it hard for you to accept the fact that other people make different choices? The market has spoken already and Apples success indicates that yes, people do want closed platforms as well.

Pretending iOS's security is not the best on the market right now is simply being in denial.

But I am not arguing for closed solutions. I am arguing for an ecosystem with both closed and open solutions.

> Europe can't keep up with the US in this field because

Europe was keeping up with USA just fine until about 15 years ago. So the problem can't be one of the reasons you listed (certainly not the ancient history of the WW2), those existed before as well. What changed lately was the onerous amount of regulation being added and a strong left turn in economic policy. Together they brought the unfolding disaster we are witnessing today.

I am willing to bet you've never build a startup in your life. Do that please and then come back and tell me which is worse: regulation or big competition.

> Why should Appel decide what you can run on the device you bought and own?

Because they aren't selling you a device. They are selling you access to their platform. Interfering with how they build and run that platform will just ensure we'll get fewer platforms in the future. You get either competition or regulation - the later logically diminishes the first.

Re: A first look at Europe's alternative iPhone app stores

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Post by nickpp »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #188
shiroiushi wrote: post #109

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It's not a dictatorship, though: you're free to buy an Android phone like me. Just like you're free to buy a shirt from Uniqlo or H&M or wherever instead of Louis Vuitton. Microsoft has something much, much closer to a dictatorship, but I haven't seen much action on regulating them; the only thing that finally reigned them in (a little) was the move to web apps.

Yes so what happens when Uniqlo or H&M starts dictating which items you can wear together or on what days you can wear them? You're entirely missing the point. Tech companies don't get to dictate what we can do with their products. I don't know why that is so hard to understand. You think that going to a competitor is the answer but the competitor is doing the same thing and so would every company over time because i…

> what happens when Uniqlo or H&M starts dictating

You simply switch to a producer with more acceptable terms or one that doesn't dictate at all. Unless the competition was curtailed through excessive regulation, of course.

Why is it so hard to understand how the free market works and so hard to accept that different people can make different choice from you and that is ok because you it doesn't impede on your right to make your choices?

Why this desperation to impose your choices on other people?

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