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Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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What's going on in that part of western australia? It's a very empty area

I'm not expert on it, but I suspect that two of them might somehow be related to the Transmit and Receive stations for Australia's JORN (over the horizon radar) that are located in Western Australia near Laverton.

Though if that were the case, I'd probably guess there should be more areas at the other site locations around northern Australia - so that might invalidate my guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jindalee_Operational_Radar_Net...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/28%C2%B019'02.6%22S+122%C2...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/28%C2%B019'36.3%22S+122%C2...

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In addition to Armenia/Azerbaijan, Turkey has had a significant internal conflict with the PKK (Kurds) in the East/South East for... a very long time. Also that whole region is just patchy with flight data - it makes it difficult to really see the true shape of jamming.

> Turkey has had a significant internal conflict with the PKK (Kurds) PKK the terrorist organization, yes. Kurds the ethnic group, no.

> > Turkey has had a significant internal conflict with the PKK (Kurds)

> PKK the terrorist organization, yes. Kurds the ethnic group, no.

The Turkish government has a decades long history of discrimination against Kurds, including banning their language, even denying their existence as a people. If Turkey had treated Kurds better, PKK may well have never existed, and almost certainly would not have had as many Kurds supporting it even if it still had.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_of_Kurdish_people...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_Kurds_by_Turkey

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia_and_discrimination_...

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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If anyone found the above interesting, I wrote a short article mapping plane activity on FlightRadar's 'blocked' list (i.e FlightRadar had agreed to remove the ADBS data from their dataset following probable legal pressure). https://dfworks.xyz/blog/hnwi-osint-private-jet/ Slightly tangential so feel free to remove if irrelevant

The article was interesting alone, simply for the Google Dork technique explanation. Have not heard the "unusual, yet specifically frequent" search technique described that way previously. Very similar to what's necessary for searching StackExchange and similar, such as "site: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/ tracking private planes" The Bombardier Global Express 6000 GLT6 result is interesting, as it's a plane wi…

Apparently people now call using Google's advanced search operators Dorking, neat! I guess I've been dorking for a while.

Most of us know about "site:" since it's extremely handy, but there are a lot more. For some reason I had it in my head that many of the documented operators didn't work properly -- or at least I couldn't get them to work properly the last time I tried to experiment. I'll have to try again.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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I love this feature, especially how they were able to create it from data that they were already getting, but personally my excitement about it is overshadowed by how colorblind unfriendly it is. Considering how many people are colorblind, ~4% of the global population, or roughly 1 out of 25 people, it's remarkable how often designers get this detail wrong.

macOS and iOS have systemwide settings for color blind people. You can remap colors.

Yeah, I love that feature. It's really not helping here though.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

#196

Curious about the other areas than near Russia where jamming seems to occur: Myanmar and Kashmir(?)

In Myanmar, since the 2021 Military coup, there have been conflicts and wars between the military forces vs anti-junta ethnic armed organisations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myanmar_civil_war_(2021%E2%80%...

https://myanmar-now.org/en/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfo_5Cnf4A0

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Yea, oddly, if you go back to like august, there's still a bunch of red over the Mediterranean, parts of Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, etc. so it's not totally clear what that is. I've heard anecdotally that gps has gotten unusable in Israel in recent weeks but it's not clear why that's changed based on the mapping information we're seeing here.

Northern Israel is completely jammed. There's talk of Israelis getting matched on Tinder with women from Beirut.

That’s because Beirut is 60 miles from northern Israel and Tinder’s max is 100 miles IIRC. These are small countries we’re talking about here.

Phones don’t use GPS these days if they can help it - WiFi triangulation is significantly faster and uses much less battery - so GPS jamming wouldn’t have anything to do with Tinder matches.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Search and Rescue data? How does that help here? And is there a repository of SAR rescues somewhere?

Think it's Synthetic Aperture RADAR.

Thank you, wasn’t aware of this. Learned something today!

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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I've been working on mapping GPS jamming using ADS-B data for a couple years, and I'll try to address questions and points brought up here based on what I know. Relevant previous posts on HN: 2022: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32245346 2023: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37868106 (From my comment on that 2023 post: "Why haven't FlightRadar24, FlightAware, or any of the other flight trackers done this?"…

I'm not a NATO strategist or anything, so I'm adding this as a child comment, but I think the big story in the GPS/aviation world these days is probably Russia's n̵e̵a̵r̵-̵c̵o̵n̵s̵t̵a̵n̵t̵ frequent jamming of GPS over Poland, Finland, Sweden, Estonia, and Lithuania. Degrading and even neutralizing strategic infrastructure in EU and NATO countries, significantly affecting commercial aviation at the least, is a big dea…

>"There's some reluctance to say it's Russia doing the jamming, though that seems to be the consensus among experts."

Why the reluctance? I do not think there is much love lost in regards to Russia.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turkey has had a significant internal conflict with the PKK (Kurds) PKK the terrorist organization, yes. Kurds the ethnic group, no.

> > Turkey has had a significant internal conflict with the PKK (Kurds) > PKK the terrorist organization, yes. Kurds the ethnic group, no. The Turkish government has a decades long history of discrimination against Kurds, including banning their language, even denying their existence as a people. If Turkey had treated Kurds better, PKK may well have never existed, and almost certainly would not have had as many Kurds…

Turkish Government has had many high-ranking Kurdish officials, including multiple presidents and prime ministers.

There have been more Kurds served in the Turkish Army than all the other armed organizations combined.

Majority of Kurds in Turkey openly support the Turkish Government, especially against the PKK terror.

Several Kurdish organizations in Iraq, Syria, and Iran support the Turkish Government, especially against the PKK terror.

PKK kills Kurds. PKK kills Turks. PKK will happily kill you if doing so benefits the crime and propaganda business they have been profiting for decades.

Let's not parrot some politically charged material as facts without having any actual understanding about such sensitive matter.

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