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Re: Plagiarism

#191

Post by icodeforlove »

zeedotme wrote: post #154
jacquesm wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really don't get it do you? > If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. I'm sure it does. But the point is that you should ensure through process and not through policy that you do not end up with other people's stuff on your site without attribution or compensation. The fact that you'll take it down to avoid further damage is not enou…

We do have processes AND policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. But it can still happen unintentionally and when it does, we react activity and proactively.

talk about a great way to ruin a company image... just shows that a company can't do this anymore to the masses, the people are not as silenced. Its now actually in a companies best intrest to be legitimate ;)

Re: Plagiarism

#192

Post by lotharbot »

zeedotme wrote: post #9

Update: see this comment on HN. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3972875 Zee from TNW here. Someone has to explain to me exactly what we should have done differently here. I honestly have absolutely no idea what we should have done differently here to illustrate an interesting fact with our readers and reference the original source (we did that twice in the article...even with his full name (a screenshot of which…

> "Someone has to explain to me exactly what we should have done differently here."

Obviously there are things your writer (Harrison Weber) could have done differently:

1) include the attribution and link at the outset

2) either provide true quotes or true rewrites, rather than slight paraphrases of the original text

And you yourself could have behaved differently as well:

3) when challenged, be friendly, even if you are (or appear to be) in the right. Summarize what you're seeing and then ask a question, instead of making accusations or insulting Joshua.

If your first tweet had instead said "we cited you as a source, which is standard procedure. Is there something else that's bothering you?" and then you waited for a response, you'd have given Joshua an opportunity to clarify his stance regarding the ninja edit, and you'd have given yourself an opportunity to apologize on behalf of your writer for the initial mistake.

Even if you had been right and everything had been sourced correctly from the start, a friendly stance and a few kind words would have done wonders. Consider this exchange: "...is there something else that's bothering you?" "Your wording in paragraph X is very similar to mine" "I've turned it into a direct quote. Does that resolve the issue?" With the issue resolved and no insults thrown around, Joshua would have had no reason to escalate, and instead of reading about plagiarism, the HN audience might be reading an article about conflict resolution, with your behavior put forth as a shining positive example.

Re: Plagiarism

#193

Post by sparknlaunch12 »

zeedotme wrote: post #142
drewblaisdell wrote: post #79

Update: image credit added after I posted this. Still, the image should be removed, this is copyright infringement. TheNextWeb is infamous for plagiarizing images for that section. Take this article, for example: http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2011/05/23/stylish-techno... The image at the top of the article is taken from this Dustin Curtis blog post: http://www.dustincurtis.com/press_on.html (the filename of the…

we have a strict policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. If it does, and it really shouldn't have beyond a year ago (when we really clamped down on it with our authors)... we fix it. If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. But I assure you that this "care free" image you might have of us when it comes to posting other peoples i…

Strange that this has been greyed out? Not condoning the act of plagiarism but seems fairer to allow all parties to say their bits?

Re: Plagiarism

#194

Post by jack-r-abbit »

sophacles wrote: post #183
jack-r-abbit wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is when it is the little guy stealing from the big guy... and that is ok . This is the big guy stealing from the little guy... and that is bad , mkay? lol

No it isn't that at all: Piracy: "here is a free copy of the avengers" Plagarism: "here, I made you a movie, I call it the avengers" One about replicas, one is about credit. There is a difference. Quit being disingenuous about them being the same.

I don't think they are the same and I don't think I claimed they were. Clearly the words have different definitions and apply to different actions. One takes the work of the creator and passes it along to others without the creator getting [paid|credit|traffic|whatever creator desires] for it. The other takes the work of the creator and passes it along as their own work without the creator getting [paid|credit|traffic|whatever creator desires] for it. I was trying (with humor) to explain why some people will defend piracy and then rail against plagiarism. They do have a common thread in kind of screwing the content creator a little... but in different ways. And often in a "Big Guy vs Little Guy" scenario, people will take the side of Little Guy... regardless of who took which action.

Also... kind of funny to see the difference in the meaning of plagiarism among those outraged by this plagiarism. It seems that even among those that are angry here, there is a disagreement over whether plagiarism is or is not simply about giving credit. Some seem to think that it is an issue of credit or proper use of quotes... while others seem to think that even with proper credit given plagiarism still exists. So maybe plagiarism isn't so easy to define/avoid? Not sure.

Re: Plagiarism

#195

Post by sparknlaunch12 »

JangoSteve wrote: post #141

For what it's worth, the Huffington Post once did something similar with one of my posts, though it wasn't plagiarism, they basically just took my idea and ran with it. Even then, I'd say my situation was totally fair play. And given the content, it's not entirely inconceivable that they just had the same idea. All of that said, I tweeted them about my article [1] (nothing accusative, just a sort of "hey, check out m…

Great example of how the majority of news sites behave. It seems that others play by different rules. I thought the foundation of any journalism is quoting your sources and writing your own material. Maybe the web has changed (for the worst).

Re: Plagiarism

#196

Post by aerique »

sparknlaunch12 wrote: post #193
zeedotme wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we have a strict policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. If it does, and it really shouldn't have beyond a year ago (when we really clamped down on it with our authors)... we fix it. If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. But I assure you that this "care free" image you might have of us when it comes to posting other peoples i…

Strange that this has been greyed out? Not condoning the act of plagiarism but seems fairer to allow all parties to say their bits?

It's because of people downvoting him.

Re: Plagiarism

#197

Post by lotharbot »

sparknlaunch12 wrote: post #193
zeedotme wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we have a strict policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. If it does, and it really shouldn't have beyond a year ago (when we really clamped down on it with our authors)... we fix it. If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. But I assure you that this "care free" image you might have of us when it comes to posting other peoples i…

Strange that this has been greyed out? Not condoning the act of plagiarism but seems fairer to allow all parties to say their bits?

It's our way of voicing very clear disagreement.

Anyone who wants to read his words still can.

Re: Plagiarism

#198

Post by white_devil »

zeedotme wrote: post #154
jacquesm wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really don't get it do you? > If it ever does happen, I assure you that all it takes is one email to office@thenextweb.com and we'll have it resolved. I'm sure it does. But the point is that you should ensure through process and not through policy that you do not end up with other people's stuff on your site without attribution or compensation. The fact that you'll take it down to avoid further damage is not enou…

We do have processes AND policy in place to make sure this doesn't happen. But it can still happen unintentionally and when it does, we react activity and proactively.

You know, we were already convinced you're a sleazebag. Lying to our faces in an attempt at damage control was unnecessary.

Re: Plagiarism

#199

Post by sparknlaunch12 »

Journalism ethics and standards taken from Wikipedia [1]:

The basic codes and canons commonly appear in statements drafted by both professional journalism associations and individual print, broadcast, and online news organizations.

The primary themes common to most codes of journalistic standards and ethics are the following:

-Accuracy and standards for factual reporting

-Slander and libel considerations

-Harm limitation principle

-Presentation

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards

Re: Plagiarism

#200

Post by Braasch »

zeedotme wrote: post #134

Zee again. Full response: http://bit.ly/JxoWae

This should be published on both on your Twitter page and should be a post on The Next Web, not Google Docs.

And you learned the wrong lesson.

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