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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
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I don't. This is a stark realisation that I have had over the past few years. I would once staunchly recommend iPhones for their strong security, in particular app isolation, on-device AI, and physical device security. However, over the years there have been more and more instances where Apple decides what I can do with my phone. From restricting APIs to give their first-party apps advantage, to, most recently, not h…
Yup, this is the choice: Either a walled garden run by Apple that has a price premium. Or a discounted device by Android that allows Google to snoop on all your data if you want to use a single one of their services (App Store, Gmail, Google Maps) - and correct me if I'm wrong but without play services enabled an Android is not really usable. I rather pay the premium.
If you go with Android, you could flash GrapheneOS, which supports sandboxing Play Services.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
The iPhone revolution was that your phone used to be owned by the carrier, but now was owned by Apple, and Jobs got away with it.
Hence why most European countries just mostly stayed with pre-paid, and operators have been trying to bride us with contracts for iDevices, or if that doesn't get us, contracts in disguise for pre-paid users as post pay. I will keep using Android devices with physical SIM until it isn't no longer viable.
That’s nonsense! Bundled contracts are common in most if not all of Europes economies.
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#194This topic is polarizing because it shows how Silicon Valley betrayed its original hacker mindset of openness in favor of tech feudalism.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see the EU standing in this battle. This is a good thing for hackers, creativity and competition in the mobile space
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#195This is likely my last iPhone. Apple’s behavior in opposing their own customers is unacceptable.
I’ll switch to a Pixel running GrapheneOS, where I can run “real Firefox” and any other software I choose.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone And that's fine The feature is not for you You can keep using your iPhone as you always did, through the Apple app store But, there's a but: how many users would answer "no" to "would you like to download our app and get a 30% discount for the same exact features"?
Are they forced to list on the apple app store?
Good thing is you're not forced to use them either!
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone And that's fine The feature is not for you You can keep using your iPhone as you always did, through the Apple app store But, there's a but: how many users would answer "no" to "would you like to download our app and get a 30% discount for the same exact features"?
Unless I am mistaken, there is nothing here that says a developer has to continue to also have their app on the App Store and allow purchasing through the App Store in addition to their own billing. Meaning, no I actually won't be able to use my iPhone as I always did once this becomes normalized and accepted. Please correct me if I am wrong about what the rule for this actually is.
You're not forced to purchase apps.
So if the developer is misbehaving, don't buy it.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone And that's fine The feature is not for you You can keep using your iPhone as you always did, through the Apple app store But, there's a but: how many users would answer "no" to "would you like to download our app and get a 30% discount for the same exact features"?
Unless I am mistaken, there is nothing here that says a developer has to continue to also have their app on the App Store and allow purchasing through the App Store in addition to their own billing. Meaning, no I actually won't be able to use my iPhone as I always did once this becomes normalized and accepted. Please correct me if I am wrong about what the rule for this actually is.
Vote with your wallet, then. Only buy apps distributed through the Apple app store if you dislike alternative stores.
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#199It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number. I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more. The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to sta…
> so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand…
> To my mind all of this comes back to the free market: you're free to ignore all this stuff and keep getting everything through the App Store. If you and many others do the same thing then the market will prove the idea to be a dud.
This only really creates no impact to users if Apple were to force all apps to also be listed in their App Store.
If, e.g., Facebook were to decide they don’t like existing App Store policies and start their own store and only list their apps there, for a large portion of people using Facebook’s store would effectively be a requirement (in many places WhatsApp is a requirement).
What happens when the app for some piece of hardware you bought is on a 3rd party store? You don’t have a choice there either. (Besides returning the hardware if you have the option.)
I’m with the GP here. I don’t own any other Apple hardware, but bought my phone (after a long line of Android hardware starting from the original ADP1) specifically to not have to deal with any of this. I don’t have the time and energy to deal with any of this anymore. I have paid a premium to have these choices taken away from me and the decisions made for me.
Sorry I’m ruining the world, but if people want a phone they can install arbitrary binaries on I really don’t understand why they can’t just go buy an Android. As you say, free markets… if this _actually_ mattered to people then Apple should take a hit in the market and either change their behavior or disappear entirely. Yet here we are.
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#200This is still not good enough because as Apple demonstrated last week, they can capriciously remove access for any developer at any time for any reason at all. They need to be removed completely from the code signing and publishing process altogether.
What happened last week? Could you please provide context?