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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by qwertyuiop_ »

autoexec wrote: post #82

I'm not saying that Boeing had him assassinated, but I sure wouldn't put it past them. They've already shown themselves to be perfectly willing to sacrifice human lives for increased profits.

It wouldn't be as direct as if the order came from the boardroom. There are thousands of "stakeholders" bound to lose their gravy train, lobbyists, suppliers, "consultants", military industrial complex. It's easy to for one of these to send a "contractor" to stalk, hold the person's arm and "shoot himself" dead. I am not an investigator but this is very very suspicious. He delivered 2 days of testimony and is about to third one. If someone is suicidal they wouldn't be this motivated to go through the testimony of 2 days and skip the third. Also suspicious is BBC becoming "the owner of the stories" instead of local news outlets.The PR machine is in full swing.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by falsandtru »

dang wrote: post #186
falsandtru wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

It's standard moderation practice on HN to downweight offtopic comments. If we didn't do that, most HN threads would have something generic or offtopic at the top of the page, choking out more interesting discussion. There's nothing secretive here—I've posted about this lots of times over lots of years. I know it's fun internet time to play sinister speculation, but if anyone wants to know what's actually happening,…

The previous comment was deleted as expected. You will surely say that you have nothing to do with it.

> This comment was, even though it has 8 points, moved from the top of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39674829 to the lowest level here below 0 points. The order of comments in the original thread has also been reversed. It has to be said that this is a m...dishonest cover-up. Probably the most importantly for HN users, it proves that the order of comments can be changed by the moderators, not by the order of points. For example, the same operation could be performed in the same thread to produce the same result. This neatly matches the strange behavior often seen on HN. Oh, this comment may be deleted for going too deep.

> Also, with this move, the shadowban to this thread has been lifted and this thread is now back on the top page. The previous ranking was page 3.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#193

Post by hayst4ck »

falsandtru wrote: post #192
dang wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's standard moderation practice on HN to downweight offtopic comments. If we didn't do that, most HN threads would have something generic or offtopic at the top of the page, choking out more interesting discussion. There's nothing secretive here—I've posted about this lots of times over lots of years. I know it's fun internet time to play sinister speculation, but if anyone wants to know what's actually happening,…

The previous comment was deleted as expected. You will surely say that you have nothing to do with it. > This comment was, even though it has 8 points, moved from the top of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39674829 to the lowest level here below 0 points. The order of comments in the original thread has also been reversed. It has to be said that this is a m...dishonest cover-up. Probably the most importantly for…

You don't need to re-quote yourself. Even though your comment was flagged (I flagged it, and I'm sure others did too), it has not been deleted.

You can verify this for yourself by enabling showdead in your profile which will let you see the full text of all comments from all posters even if they are flagged or dead.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#194

Post by dang »

falsandtru wrote: post #192
dang wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's standard moderation practice on HN to downweight offtopic comments. If we didn't do that, most HN threads would have something generic or offtopic at the top of the page, choking out more interesting discussion. There's nothing secretive here—I've posted about this lots of times over lots of years. I know it's fun internet time to play sinister speculation, but if anyone wants to know what's actually happening,…

The previous comment was deleted as expected. You will surely say that you have nothing to do with it. > This comment was, even though it has 8 points, moved from the top of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39674829 to the lowest level here below 0 points. The order of comments in the original thread has also been reversed. It has to be said that this is a m...dishonest cover-up. Probably the most importantly for…

Nothing was deleted. We never delete a comment, except when the author asks us to.

As hayst4ck pointed out, your parent comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39676467 was flagged by users. When enough users flag a comment, it gets killed—but not deleted. Anyone with 'showdead' turned on in their profile can see all the killed comments.

We can only guess why users flag things, but most likely it's because you're posting dramatic off-topic claims that experienced HN readers find tedious, because they've seen so many and know there's no substance to them.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#195

Post by justatdotin »

dehrmann wrote: post #164
jjk166 wrote: post #9

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Self inflicted wound in the middle of several days of scheduled depositions. Just about as suspicious as could be.

I'm not convinced. Boeing doesn't want more attention, depositions are stressful, and whistleblowers are predisposed to martyrdom. If you're Boeing, this doesn't make the problem go away, it makes it worse .

> this doesn't make the problem go away

what if they have bigger problems in the pipeline. It could estimated to be worth exacerbating this issue if it discourages the next.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#196

Post by falsandtru »

dang wrote: post #194
falsandtru wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The previous comment was deleted as expected. You will surely say that you have nothing to do with it. > This comment was, even though it has 8 points, moved from the top of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39674829 to the lowest level here below 0 points. The order of comments in the original thread has also been reversed. It has to be said that this is a m...dishonest cover-up. Probably the most importantly for…

Nothing was deleted. We never delete a comment, except when the author asks us to. As hayst4ck pointed out, your parent comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39676467 was flagged by users. When enough users flag a comment, it gets killed—but not deleted. Anyone with 'showdead' turned on in their profile can see all the killed comments. We can only guess why users flag things, but most likely it's because you'r…

> Nothing was deleted. We never delete a comment, except when the author asks us to.

I have confirmed that the text of the comment has been replaced by [flagged] and is no longer readable. It's just sophistry to say that the text was only deleted and the comment was not deleted.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#197

Post by dang »

falsandtru wrote: post #196
dang wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing was deleted. We never delete a comment, except when the author asks us to. As hayst4ck pointed out, your parent comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39676467 was flagged by users. When enough users flag a comment, it gets killed—but not deleted. Anyone with 'showdead' turned on in their profile can see all the killed comments. We can only guess why users flag things, but most likely it's because you'r…

> Nothing was deleted. We never delete a comment, except when the author asks us to. I have confirmed that the text of the comment has been replaced by [flagged] and is no longer readable. It's just sophistry to say that the text was only deleted and the comment was not deleted.

I'm sure plenty of users will be happy to confirm to you that they can still read your comment and that it is therefore not deleted.

I wonder if you're using a third-party app to read HN, because if you're using a web browser, you should not be seeing just [flagged]. I unkilled your comment when I posted my last reply.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#198

Post by eastbound »

qwertyuiop_ wrote: post #191
autoexec wrote: post #82

I'm not saying that Boeing had him assassinated, but I sure wouldn't put it past them. They've already shown themselves to be perfectly willing to sacrifice human lives for increased profits.

It wouldn't be as direct as if the order came from the boardroom. There are thousands of "stakeholders" bound to lose their gravy train, lobbyists, suppliers, "consultants", military industrial complex. It's easy to for one of these to send a "contractor" to stalk, hold the person's arm and "shoot himself" dead. I am not an investigator but this is very very suspicious. He delivered 2 days of testimony and is about t…

So what you’re saying is Boeing has an army of 2000 lobbyists are all ready to kill for financial gain?

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#199

Post by acje »

hiddencost wrote: post #175
leetrout wrote: post #170

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> from the perception that my coworkers, my bosses, the entire world, just does not care about doing the right thing. How did you overcome this?

Quit

+1 for quitting. This can be life saving. Finding new purpose then becomes possible.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

#200

Post by jj999 »

bruce511 wrote: post #177
Qem wrote: post #14

He should have done like Snowden. Got out of the country before exposing material. Shouldn't a witness in a high profile case like him been granted some sort of police escort by the court? Guy paid the ultimate price for freedom of speech and informing the public. Wonder if someone will sustain there is no threat to freedom of speech because the lawsuit involved the company where he was employed, not the government.…

On the one hand, violence is always a threat to speaking freely. This is not new. At the very least getting fired is what most people can expect if they speak freely about legitimately confidential things at work. Even things like disparaging co-workers, in a public setting, or harassing people at work by saying inappropriate things can get you fired. You are free to speak freely, but there are consequences, Free Spe…

No one care about your constitution outside your borders while the concept of Free Speech is universal and isn't defined by a geographicaly limited piece of paper. I'll never let your regressive law colonize my thoughts.
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