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Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Yes. But No. Red V-Raptor S35 XL has 16.5 stops of dynamic range with 250-12,800 ISO. ARRI Alexa 35 has 17 stops of range with 160-6400 ISO. Both use rolling shutters, both have native ISO of 800. Alexa has better low light noise reduction at higher ISO, but Alexa is sharper and has better dynamic range in low light since it uses 8K to 4K down sampling. The real difference is in the colour straight out of the chip an…

You can’t compare the spec sheets. You need to look at the over and under tests. There is no camera close to the Alexa35 in dynamic range

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Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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It would be kind of cool Nikon is able to bring the price of RED cameras down. I've wanted a truly professional-grade camera for awhile, but I cannot justify spending $10k-20k for something that would fundamentally be a glorified toy to me (since I don't do anything professional with camera). I was hoping that pro-grade 4k cameras would drop to the sub-$500 mark by now, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Even th…

Pro cameras have a volume problem. Too few are sold. Imagine if Intel only sold 10000 CPUs a year, but the fabs still cost billions of dollars. Do you still think you would have $500 CPUs?

Precisely. ARRI is only a viable business because they also have lighting and lenses. Sony and Canon imaging subsidize their cine lines with their high-volume consumer products.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Broncolor is expensive just because they're old and entrenched, and some people are always in the mindset that more expensive must equal better. If reliability is a concern, you can easily buy multiple Godox units of approximately the same specifications (or better) for the same price as one Broncolor.

> If reliability is a concern, you can easily buy multiple Godox units of approximately the same specifications (or better) for the same price as one Broncolor. I got burned enough, once even literally, by cheap Chinese speedlights that I am now a firm subscriber to the philosophy of "buy once, cry once".

Broncolor is “buy once, cry once, then cry again when you need an attachment, and also cry when you need to replace a bulb.”

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Speaking for lighting: all of it. ARRI stuff is expensive AF but worth every penny if you have the need for it.

Is this different in some way from the still photo world where you have like Broncolor that’s unreasonably expensive and no one can explain why?

In my judgment ARRI fixtures are not unreasonably expensive. Yeah they are pricey, but you get what you pay for, the engineering, including the elctrical engineering is stellar, the reproducability amazing.

Now whether you actually need those things is another question, but my opinion on ARRIs stuff is that it costs exactly what I would expect it to cost on that level of quality (and that isn't true for all manufacturers).

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Pretty interesting. If you look on netflix approved camera list[0] there are none from Nikon. Personally I think RED cameras are overhyped and are a major reason most netflix shows all look and feel the same. I don't think its the colour grading or lenses - its something about the camera itself that just feels shit and doesn't give me the same access to a scene the same way something like sony's HDVS from 30 years ag…

Has anyone done an analysis into what gives Netflix shows that strange look? It is uncanny valley like for me, so I avoid them altogether. I assumed it must be a blend of camera choice, lighting, and post-processing, and its just awful.

It’s the rushed post process. You can go on r/colourists and ask. You might be able to find some old posts from people who worked on these things explaining it.

It’s 100% not the camera. Portrait of a Lady on Fire was shot on RED. You can do virtually anything with digital cameras these days. Steve Yedlin proved he could make digital look like film beyond anyone’s ability to distinguish them.

Netflix just rushes everything so it’s all a similar level of not good.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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I've seen a handful on my local FB marketplace lately (nowhere near Hollywood or anywhere that you'd expect to see them) but ~$5k for a Epic-X Dragon with a lens.

The killer would be a Komodo. Global shutter and autofocus is amazing in something that price.

Lol - one posted within range of my search - listed at $6,500 but I bet you could talk them down:

Red Komodo 6k

SmallHD indie 7 with Red control

Red outrigger Handle

2 512GB cards

2 Canon BP-995

4 Jupio BP-975

2 NEO Mini 98wh

SmallRig Handle

BP battery charger

CFast 2.0 card reader

Core SWX Battery Plate

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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When folks talk about reliability of these cameras, what are we talking about? Like, the camera longevity, or ruggedness? Or like they reliably produce a consistent output, versus producing different results under the same conditions where one would expect consistency?

I work as a director of photography and own an Alexa Mini. Reliability in this context means that the camera will record and the footage will not be corrupted on the media. Film sets are very rough on equipment and things break all the time. Sometimes one films in very harsh conditions that anre either very cold or very dusty and hot. Often you don’t have the luxury of being able to repeat a moment or you have travel…

Thank you, this was exactly the sort of elaboration I was looking for.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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The killer would be a Komodo. Global shutter and autofocus is amazing in something that price.

Lol - one posted within range of my search - listed at $6,500 but I bet you could talk them down: Red Komodo 6k SmallHD indie 7 with Red control Red outrigger Handle 2 512GB cards 2 Canon BP-995 4 Jupio BP-975 2 NEO Mini 98wh SmallRig Handle BP battery charger CFast 2.0 card reader Core SWX Battery Plate

That sounds amazing. Please stop before my wife finds out I'm even thinking about this.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Blackmagic sold their cameras with support for CinemaDNG advertised, and removed that support after the fact, leaving only BRAW that more or less locked you into Resolve. This is a deal breaker for anyone using OSS processing pipeline, since 1) BRAW isn’t lossless, AFAIK and 2) it was impossible and to this day is problematic to convert BRAW to something raw development tools understand (DNG). Luckily, I noticed that…

As a fellow fp enjoyer, I will point out that I believe the fp's CDNG support avoids patent issues by only supporting output to USB drive. RAW video to internal media is where Nikon ran into trouble. It's also a bit of a bummer how terrible the fp's h264 encoder is, but the CDNG makes up for it, I suppose.

Not true. I record to SD card these days, the only downside is no 4K (presumably due to speed limitations), but for 1080p 60 fps it works just fine.

You must get a top spec 64GB (larger capacities are too slow, smaller capacities have not enough space to record anything). Sigma publishes a list of known compatible SD cards.

If you suffer from the shadow flicker issue, let me know. I couldn’t truly enjoy fp until I worked around that.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Lol - one posted within range of my search - listed at $6,500 but I bet you could talk them down: Red Komodo 6k SmallHD indie 7 with Red control Red outrigger Handle 2 512GB cards 2 Canon BP-995 4 Jupio BP-975 2 NEO Mini 98wh SmallRig Handle BP battery charger CFast 2.0 card reader Core SWX Battery Plate

That sounds amazing. Please stop before my wife finds out I'm even thinking about this.

I don't even make movies but the Red reputation + general deviant behavior in terms of buying unnecessary tech makes this a dangerous search on my part too. Wish the FB algorithm would stop recommending them (though not enough to manually tell it not to....)
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