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Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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This is kind of weird since much of the tech is shared with WSL. It also makes me question the future of WSL, though that would be insane to deprecate given it has worked miracles for rehabilitating Microsoft‘s image and Windows’ usability.

Much of the tech was shared with WSL1 (the one that emulates Linux syscalls). But these days WSL2 (the one that runs Linux in a VM) gets all the love.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Android on the desktop works very well on Wayland with Waydroid and it even supports Google Play store. https://waydro.id/ Great running apps not available on Linux with a touchscreen PC. It only seems to run Android apps compiled for x86, but it is very fast. There are practical use cases, and it is very usable. I haven’t tried it on WSL2, but it seems like a practical approach without reliance on Microsoft.

> It only seems to run Android apps compiled for x86

You can run ARM apps as well using libhoudini. Checkout: https://github.com/casualsnek/waydroid_script

> I haven’t tried it on WSL2, but it seems like a practical approach without reliance on Microsoft

Waydroid won't work on WSL2 as the kernel provided by MS doesn't have binder driver.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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> especially since I can't think of anything from my phone that I would truly like on my desktop The SMS and Calls. Seriously, at this point, my phone is the least useful device I own for managing both of these functions. The only utility in having them in some broken down hard to use form is for the slight convenience of being able to use them outside of my home if I wanted to. I rarely want to. I'd much prefer thes…

+1 I hate having to switch between my phone and desktop which feels like a waste of time when I'm already at my desk, which is almost all 7 days a week. I would like to have my phone only be used for calls and SMS and nothing else. All the messenger apps, email, browsing is better off on my desktop. Typing on phone and doing anything that involves multiple apps is much more work compared to using a desktop.

Get a burner phone without a SIM and leave it at work.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Yeah I don't know how they plan to shaft business users with that. It's so slow. I noticed recently that Microsoft relented and soon starts introducing CoPilot features into old outlook (or 'real' or 'full' outlook as people are calling it at work). Previously it was coupled to 'new' outlook only to promote adoption. But it really sees a lot of pushback from users. I hope this will continue into not canning the real…

its sort of the business model at this point. you cant just subscribe to security updates without new features. to justify the cost they always have to cram new, and by new i mean change. google feels the same way. things that work need to be rebuilt and rereleased to justify headcount. the mail -> new outlook is just another in the long tradition of microsoft pushing a new native gui framework, only to abandon it in…

With Google, they intentionally bloat their OS/app updates so that users are eventually forced to upgrade for decent performance again.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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So, this is the second time a "run your Android apps on Windows" initiative fizzles out: before WSA (which was Amazon-centric), there was a late-2020 "Your Phone" feature that (briefly) allowed Samsung apps on Windows desktops. Not sure if this means anything other than "phone apps run best on, well, a phone", especially since I can't think of anything from my phone that I would truly like on my desktop, other than i…

Google Play Games[0] is also an Android environment for Windows. Many mobile games look and play better on a big screen.

To deploy this way, developers create a packaged version of their Android app for GPG.

[0] https://play.google.com/googleplaygames

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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>macOS is the best example for actual architecture migrations Eh, they did 2 migrations while supporting at most 2 architectures concurrently. Nothing compared to Linux which is maintained for x86, POWER, ARM, s390x, MIPS etc concurrently

Does Linux allow you to run your s390x binary on your ARM system? No. As others have pointed out macOS allowed migration including existing binaries. They have done 3 of these migrations. 68k to PowerPC, PowerPC to x86, and x86 to ARM. Each time, users were allowed to bring along existing binaries and keep using them and each time the binaries from the previous system generally ran as fast or faster on the new system…

x64 Linux supports x86 and PE binaries so it sort of does.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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>macOS is the best example for actual architecture migrations Eh, they did 2 migrations while supporting at most 2 architectures concurrently. Nothing compared to Linux which is maintained for x86, POWER, ARM, s390x, MIPS etc concurrently

Does Linux allow you to run your s390x binary on your ARM system? No. As others have pointed out macOS allowed migration including existing binaries. They have done 3 of these migrations. 68k to PowerPC, PowerPC to x86, and x86 to ARM. Each time, users were allowed to bring along existing binaries and keep using them and each time the binaries from the previous system generally ran as fast or faster on the new system…

There are applications for that on Linux (qemu and box64/box86 being the best known), they just aren't installed by default on most distros.

A large part of why the binaries ran well on macOS migrations is that each time the migration came with a substantial processor speed increase. This meant that emulated/translated binaries were able to roughly match their previous performance, while native binaries for the new architecture were significantly faster. On Linux, however, the most common reason for cross-architecture tech these days is running x86 binaries on something like a Raspberry Pi, which means a slower processor on top of the translation layer - so non-native apps see a huge drop in performance.

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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>macOS is the best example for actual architecture migrations Eh, they did 2 migrations while supporting at most 2 architectures concurrently. Nothing compared to Linux which is maintained for x86, POWER, ARM, s390x, MIPS etc concurrently

Does Linux allow you to run your s390x binary on your ARM system? No. As others have pointed out macOS allowed migration including existing binaries. They have done 3 of these migrations. 68k to PowerPC, PowerPC to x86, and x86 to ARM. Each time, users were allowed to bring along existing binaries and keep using them and each time the binaries from the previous system generally ran as fast or faster on the new system…

There are a few Mac apps out there that support PPC, x86, and ARM all in the same binary. One such app is XLD[0].

[0]: https://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html

Re: Microsoft is ending support for the Windows Subsystem for Android (WSA)

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Microsoft love to force things onto end users these days. The latest thing is the "focussed inbox". Suddenly our school had it enabled and a whole bunch of people didn't see their emails as it hived them off to the Other tab.

Yeah and their evangelisation makes it really hard to opt out. They're always making it a show to portray users not using it as slowpokes who don't keep up. Even though I don't want Microsoft to decide what's important and not in my inbox. I get so little I can easily do that myself because I block any and all unsolicited sales attempt forever - which Microsoft is trying to make harder because those people are their…

Setup a block rule, they are still there. Send it straight to that rule. The rule should nuke the email before it hits the mailbox.
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