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Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by shkkmo »

ThinkBeat wrote: post #100

This I applaud as the tech in me. It will quickly become a mess in the real world. People will run pods on cheapest VPS and they will get hacked, run out of money, get bored, go broke etc. Imagine as fractions of content goes missing for a while or is just deleted. One guy runs a small pod with some people, kills it, 60.000 messages gone. How does that impact interconnected discussions? If I own my own data. (good),…

The same criticisms and solutions apply to web pages.

Various organizations provide "archive" services. Relays and/or AppViews can utilize (or be) such a service. Removal from such a service depends on that service's systems (and possibly the legal context.)

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Post by treyd »

rsynnott wrote: post #44
bayindirh wrote: post #3

Does that mean after Bluesky reaches critical mass, it'll turn the federation off, like Google Chat killing its XMPP federation? For clarity: I'd love to see this comment and say "I was wrong" 5 or 10 years later.

That would only work if Bluesky stays the only significant network node. Which is _possible_, but we haven't seen it with, say, Mastodon. Google Chat was arguably a bit of a special case; vast majority of users never used federation at all, whereas any Bluesky user will, pretty much, just by naturally using Bluesky.

It worked with Mastodon because it was diverse and well-distributed from the beginning even when it was young. I'm skeptical that other people are going to run their own BS servers at scale now that it's been normalized to always just use the firstparty one.

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Post by wmf »

emllnd wrote: post #85
tamimio wrote: post #18

>You need to join Discord to access the feature Seriously?! Will this trend ever dies?! I don’t want to use discord, can’t they just make a simple request form? Whenever I see “join our discord” for anything in any service I just never use that service, keep it as an option for whoever wants to hangout there just don’t make it the “only” channel of communication!

What would you like to see instead for groupchat-style quick low-threshold discussion?

Maybe Zulip.

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Post by myko »

edgarvaldes wrote: post #181
emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

> Twitter is a conservative cesspool Interesting. I see it as the de-facto journalist platform, which to me (as a non american) make it very left leaning. But then again, I don't use X.

American journalism isn't left-leaning. At best it is "click" leaning, and say what they need to do to get eyeballs on their content. This is why they helped normalize trump so hard, and repeatedly fail to call out the extremist right wing in the US.

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Post by belkinpower »

edgarvaldes wrote: post #181
emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

> Twitter is a conservative cesspool Interesting. I see it as the de-facto journalist platform, which to me (as a non american) make it very left leaning. But then again, I don't use X.

It was. In the last year it’s become largely conservative, and not in a standard reasonable small-government, etc. way. It’s like reading Facebook posts from your dumbest uncle.

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Post by lazzlazzlazz »

emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

I'm not sure what kind of "cesspool" Bluesky is, but it's unbearable. It's like 2015-era Tumblr but worse, somehow. Twitter, by contrast, feels like a breath of fresh air.

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Post by vidarh »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #134

Does Bluesky allow different federations to require everyone they federate with to share a block list? Mastodon has this problem and it makes it where you have to have multiple accounts if you actually want to use the platform. This might sound like not a problem, but it'll naturally lead to whatever account has access to 51% of your content being the one you use consistently, and you eventually just forget about the…

After a couple of years on Mastodon this has just never been an issue for me.

If it is one for you, nothing stops you from using s client that supports multiple accounts.

But people banding together to not just block proven bad people (by whatever criteria) but also those who closely associate with them will happen in any federated system one way or other, because blocking at an individual level is too cumbersome.

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