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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by dariosalvi78 »

troupo wrote: post #92
tiznow wrote: post #56

The outcry on this issue has caused me to believe American society is too far divided. Full disclosure, I'm not white. But across a few social media/discussion platforms I more or less saw the same people who cry out about AI daily turn this issue into a tee to sledge "fragile white people" and "techbros". Meanwhile, the aforementioned groups correctly pointed out that Gemini's image generation takes its cues from an…

Another problem is that the US spills its own problems and "solutions" onto the world as if the one true set of problems and solutions. E.g. at the height of the BLM movement there were BLM protests and marches in Sweden. 20% of Swedish population is foreign-born, and yet there are no such marches and protests about any of the ethnicities in Sweden (many of which face similar problems). Why? Because the US culture, a…

I live in Sweden and I am not a swede. I was surprised to see BLM marches here, which, OK, it's good to show solidarity to the cause, but I have seen no marches for the many problems that exist in this country, including racism. I suspect that it is due to the very distorted view swedes have about themselves and their country.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

mrtksn wrote: post #4

For context: There was an outcry in social media after Gemini refused to generate images of white people, leading deeply inaccurate in historic sense images being generated. Though the issue might be more nuanced than the mainstream narrative, it had some hilarious examples. Of course the politically sensitive people are waging war over it. Here are some popular examples: https://dropover.cloud/7fd7ba

"a friend at google said he knew gemini was this bad...but couldn't say anything until today (he DMs me every few days). lots of ppl in google knew. but no one really forced the issue obv and said what needed to be said

google is broken"

Razib Khan, https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1760545472681267521

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by fenomas »

lwansbrough wrote: post #3

Issue appears to be that the uncensored model too closely reflects reality with all its troubling details such as history.

Surely it's more likely that Google is just appending random keywords to incoming prompts, the same way DALLE used to do (or still does)?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by LeonardoTolstoy »

frozenlettuce wrote: post #112

How would a product like that be monetized one day? This week openai released the Sora video, alongside the prompts that generated them (the aí follows the description closely). In the same week, Google releases something that looks like last year's MidJourney and it doesn't follow your prompt, making you discard 3 out of 4 results, if not all. If that was billed, no one would use it. My only guess is that they are t…

I asked my brother a similar thing about most AI (as he is heavily invested in that area at the moment). People talk about LLMs potentially replacing search but, I guess the question is: are most people going to eventually pay for search, or are they going to end up monetizing LLMs in a similar way to how Google monetizes their "free" search currently (i.e. ads)?

I guess my point is: yes, I imagine the point will be to have something like "I would like to have a picture of George Washington please" and then when it generates it Google will also ask (like in their image search): want to also search that on Google? And enough pass through will generate revenue via their traditional advertising model. Presumably someone who is generating an image of George Washington is doing it for a reason and would like to know other stuff about George Washington.

Ads seem completely unavoidable to me. People like free (prefer it even, go figure) even if it is "free" (with ads), and businesses like ads because it turns out to be by far the most lucrative way to operate (just look at Netflix which is, apparently, actively trying to push people into the ad-tier service because they make much more money per user on the ad-tier than on their paid service).

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by ben_w »

jefftk wrote: post #146
ben_w wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what does a samurai warrior look like? probably is a little more race-related If you ask Hollywood, it looks like Tom Cruise with a beard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Last_Samurai.jpg

Tom Cruise portrays Nathan Algren, an American captain of the 7th Cavalry Regiment, whose personal and emotional conflicts bring him into contact with samurai warriors in the wake of the Meiji Restoration in 19th century Japan.

And yet, it is Cruise's face rather than Ken Watanabe's on the poster.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by willsmith72 »

steveBK123 wrote: post #144
f6v wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, but this requires reasoning, the way you did it. Is this within the model capability? If not, there’re two routes. First one: make inference based on real data, then most board will be male and white. Second: hard-core rules based on your social justice views. I think the second is worse than the first one.

Yes this all seems to fall under the category of "well intentioned but quickly goes awry because it's so ham fisted". If you train your models on real world data, and real world data reflects the world as it is.. then some prompts are going to return non-diverse results. If you force diversity, but in ONLY IN ONE PARTICULAR DIRECTION.. then it turns into the reverse racism stuff the right likes to complain about. If…

disasters like these are exactly what google is scared of, which just makes it even more hilarious that they actually managed to get to this point

no matter your politics, everyone can agree they screwed up. the question is how long (if ever?) it'll take for people to respect their ai

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by vinay_ys »

fvdessen wrote: post #96

What I find baffling as well is how casually people use 'whiteness' as if it was an intellectually valid concept. What does one expect to receive when asking for a picture of a white women ? A Swedish blonde ? Irish red-head ? A French brunette ? A Southern Italian ? A Lebanese ? An Irianian ? A Berber ? A Morrocan ? A Russian ? A Palestinian, A Greek, A Turk, An Arab ? Can anyone tell who of those is white or not an…

That's BS because it clearly understands what is meant and is able describe it with words. but just refuses to generate the image. Even more funny is it starts to respond and then stops itself and gives the more "grounded" answer that it is sorry and it cannot generate the image.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by starbugs »

hajile wrote: post #156
starbugs wrote: post #129

That may also be a way to generate attention/visibility for Gemini considering that they are not seen as the leader in AI anymore? Attention is all you need.

Not all publicity is good. How many people will never again trust Google's AI because they know Google is eager to bias the results? Competitors are already pointing out that their models don't make those mistakes, so you should use them instead. Then there's the news about the original Gemini demo being faked too. This seems more likely to kill the product than help it.

> This seems more likely to kill the product than help it.

How many people will have visited Gemini the first time today just to try out the "biased image generator"?

There's a good chance some may stick.

The issue will be forgotten in a few days and then the next current thing comes.

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