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Re: The lifespan of large appliances is shrinking

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> Cat converters, timing chains or belts are also maintenance items. Same for bushings, hoses, seals. None of these are a big deal. Each of those are major service items that, at 200k miles, often individually exceed the value of the depreciated automobile at shop times * shop rate. (which, unless it's a appreciating car is ~ traditionally $2000). So most people don't change them, which leads to cascading failure. (i…

Well you have a different take on "major service". If maintenance is not allowed, it is true that going past 200K gets difficult. But if you're open to doing maintenance, the car will usually last a lot longer than that. Timing belts are routine maintenance (60K on most cars I've had), takes me about an hour. A cat converter takes even less, four bolts (may vary by car of course). Hoses are for the most part very eas…

You're on to something; old cars lasted over 200k miles just as much as new ones do, if you're willing to spend the value of the car on engine and transmission rebuilds more often. (and fight rust proactively)

Maintenance vs Value is not that strange of a criteria; it tends to be the criteria warranties (and, in case of accident, theft, or flooding: auto insurance).

But newer cars do last longer, 200k miles pretty easily for many brands (the Ecoboost head gasket and collapsing lifter issue that destroy a camshaft being the American outlier of the last decade).

Timing belt is a great example of making maintenance easier and more cost effective than a timing chain, and is one of the major factors that took automobiles from 100k to 200k miles. (Timing Chain / Timing Chain tensioner early failure was an issue on Fords for a period of time)

Re: The lifespan of large appliances is shrinking

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Shrinking? Appliances' lifespan shrinking!? They have been given cancer! Thank God for American Hpme Warranty, it actually does pay at least two-fold over 5-year worth of its premium costs. This is not a shill but a testimony of the ridiculous lifespan of dishwasher, refrigerators, stove, garbage disposals, washing machines, dryer, and air conditioner condensor unit. EDIT: and a water heater. House was built in 1990.

> Thank God for American Hpme Warranty, it actually does pay at least two-fold over 5-year worth of its premium costs. Hah, your experience was very different to mine, then. Bought a house two years ago, realtor purchased an AHW policy. I knew the AC was on its last legs from inspection, and no problem, since it was an older 80% old refrigerant system, probably closing on 30 years old. Figured it could wait one summe…

Yep, by having annual inspection of HVAC, we were able to prove due diligence.

And they came next day, and replaced it in four days.

Sure, it was hot but the Popular Mechanic in me made a couple of makeshift swamp coolers and we could have ride out the entire heat waves using those jerry-rigged contraptions.

Re: The lifespan of large appliances is shrinking

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I have a friend who works in production. I cannot remember exactly what his education is, but it's a type of engineer. If you want something produced that you have invented, he can get it done. He has mentioned that they have software that can calculate the average lifespan of the finished product by entering the different components that goes into the product (like this piece has this amount of iron, this amount of…

That's one way to put it. Another would be to say that an appliance is (or should be) designed to last for approximately the amount of time it is likely to be in use, as people often upgrade old machines that haven't failed because the new ones are more energy efficient, faster, quieter, more convenient or clean better. There is no point in designing a washing machine to last 50 years, it only adds to the cost and no…

There’s an old story of Henry Ford sending agents to visit junkyards to catalog which parts of the car were still good when a critical part failed. Those were then redesigned to be cheaper in later revisions, so the entire thing fell apart at once.

Re: The lifespan of large appliances is shrinking

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally not in the US. When you make an offer to buy a home, there will be a section that lists the furnishings/appliances/things-not-nailed-down that are included in your offer. Your real estate agent is going to check the boxes for appliances without even asking you. You could tell the agent not to do that, and the seller could say no. But that would be unusual.

wut? I live in the US and I don't know of anyone who chose not to bring their appliances with them.

I think some people take others leave them.

It’s not uncommon to leave them depending on where you’re going. A new home might already have new appliances included.

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