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Re: Lapce

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Post by infogulch »

e12e wrote: post #33
29ebJCyy wrote: post #16

As someone who uses Neovim, I would love to have a near-vim experience in something that has all of the convenience of VSC + a great plugin ecosystem. However, I'm not sure about the fact that in `normal` mode `:` just brings up the `cmd+shift+p` command dialog. Maybe I could get used to it, but the fact that something as simple as my muscle memory for "I'm in `normal` mode, better type `:w` just to make sure I've sa…

Not vim (by design) - but have you tried helix? https://helix-editor.com

I've used vim at a moderate proficiency level for 10+ years, but Helix's selection -> action motion design is just better, for a lot of reasons.

Helix has been looking for a GUI solution for a while now. ( https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/issues/39 ) I wonder if Lapce's UI toolkit would be a good fit.

Re: Lapce

#192

Post by 29ebJCyy »

qudat wrote: post #36
29ebJCyy wrote: post #16

As someone who uses Neovim, I would love to have a near-vim experience in something that has all of the convenience of VSC + a great plugin ecosystem. However, I'm not sure about the fact that in `normal` mode `:` just brings up the `cmd+shift+p` command dialog. Maybe I could get used to it, but the fact that something as simple as my muscle memory for "I'm in `normal` mode, better type `:w` just to make sure I've sa…

What are you missing from neovim? There are plenty of out of the box configs that do most of the work for the user in terms of configuration that begs the question: why demand vim in other code editors? https://neovimcraft.com/c

When I'm developing alone I mostly don't miss anything when in Neovim. However, even with mouse features enabled vim is not a great experience when I'm pairing with someone who is only used to using VSCode (which is a lot of people I work with). Ideally I'd like to have an editor which is very close to vim in the ability to use basic navigation, editing, commands (for instance, macro support would be nice but I can probably live without it) when pairing.

Re: Lapce

#193

Post by 29ebJCyy »

lsllc wrote: post #101
29ebJCyy wrote: post #16

As someone who uses Neovim, I would love to have a near-vim experience in something that has all of the convenience of VSC + a great plugin ecosystem. However, I'm not sure about the fact that in `normal` mode `:` just brings up the `cmd+shift+p` command dialog. Maybe I could get used to it, but the fact that something as simple as my muscle memory for "I'm in `normal` mode, better type `:w` just to make sure I've sa…

Neovim with Lazyvim is pretty good out of the box. In the old days, both Emacs and (Neo)vim although highly extensible, well, it was hard to configure and set up for the things you wanted to do. Now, we have Spacemacs, Doom Emacs and Neovim with Lazy, Packer etc., so I really can have a 1st class "IDE" without needing to learn LISP or Vimscript (or Lua). So you do need a little bit of that to be able to edit the pack…

Just to be clear I love neovim (though I don't really like Lazy particularly, maybe I should give it another shot). Mostly I'm looking for something that is close enough to vim for me but also close enough to VSCode for the people I pair with.

Re: Lapce

#194

Post by 29ebJCyy »

e12e wrote: post #33
29ebJCyy wrote: post #16

As someone who uses Neovim, I would love to have a near-vim experience in something that has all of the convenience of VSC + a great plugin ecosystem. However, I'm not sure about the fact that in `normal` mode `:` just brings up the `cmd+shift+p` command dialog. Maybe I could get used to it, but the fact that something as simple as my muscle memory for "I'm in `normal` mode, better type `:w` just to make sure I've sa…

Not vim (by design) - but have you tried helix? https://helix-editor.com

No but this seems neat! I'll check it out, thanks!

Re: Lapce

#195

Post by roarcher »

panekj wrote: post #184
roarcher wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience on Windows 11 wasn't as bad as yours, but I opened a small Rust project with Lapce (~20 files) and it uses 1400MB of RAM vs VS Code's 900MB, and has very noticeable latency when navigating the code and typing. But like you said, it's pre-alpha, and I hope this project succeeds. I'm sure these issues are solvable. It's exciting to see Rust-based non-web UI libraries finally starting to become usable for…

Lapce cannot use that much of memory, it's most likely that Rust Analyzer has allocated majority of it.

My VS Code instance is also using Rust Analyzer.

Edit: I just disabled RA in both editors and restarted them. VSCode is now at 320MB and Lapce is at 770MB.

Edit 2: To be clear, my above comments are meant in the spirit of an informal bug report/feedback. I get that Lapce is a labor of love for its core developers, and I'm not shitting on it. In fact I think it's pretty impressive. I'm keeping an eye on it as something to potentially switch to once it matures a bit.

Re: Lapce

#196

Post by qudat »

29ebJCyy wrote: post #192
qudat wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you missing from neovim? There are plenty of out of the box configs that do most of the work for the user in terms of configuration that begs the question: why demand vim in other code editors? https://neovimcraft.com/c

When I'm developing alone I mostly don't miss anything when in Neovim. However, even with mouse features enabled vim is not a great experience when I'm pairing with someone who is only used to using VSCode (which is a lot of people I work with). Ideally I'd like to have an editor which is very close to vim in the ability to use basic navigation, editing, commands (for instance, macro support would be nice but I can p…

I guess that makes sense, I'm rarely in a situation where I need someone to work on my computer.

Re: Lapce

#197

Post by skykooler »

denysvitali wrote: post #168
skykooler wrote: post #159

On Manjaro I opened it and it stuttered for a bit and then crashed my entire desktop to a TTY. I get that it's pre-alpha but I was not expecting it to be that unstable.

To be honest, if an application manages to crash your whole Window Manager, I don't think it's the fault of the application

That's fair. On the other hand, I've been using KDE for over ten years and never had another application crash the entire thing.

Re: Lapce

#198

Post by nickstinemates »

panekj wrote: post #185
nickstinemates wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Portable version loaded instantly for me on Windows 10. Remote SSH functionality doesn't work at all unfortunately[1]. Would be nice to try out but I don't do any local dev. 1: https://github.com/lapce/lapce/issues/2985

Correction: Remote SSH works fine, we haven't reimplemented the remote file picker in new GUI toolkit but that can be workarounded by using `lapce` CLI and built-in terminal.

Cool - that works.

Re: Lapce

#199

Post by jahsome »

jonathankoren wrote: post #56
jahsome wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I have an org issued machine with crap specs and dozens of repos I switch between all day long. Waiting 30s-2m doesn't sound like much but it breaks flow and leads to a lot of "what was I doing again...?" Sidetracks

What are you waiting two minutes to do?

My machine to respond to double clicking an icon, or using Windows search, or open teams (just kidding that one takes closer to 10).

Re: Lapce

#200

Post by WuxiFingerHold »

ribelo wrote: post #162
e12e wrote: post #135

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As a user, I certainly do not find it hostile. In a "batteries included" edit a service like copilot that expose all data to a third party is a terrible anti-feature. As for script-oriented plugins vs wasm - I see a tradeoff - and don't think neither are right or wrong. Cross editor plugins via a common wasm api might be fun, but perhaps not very practical. Edit: link to relevant issues and discussion: https://github…

Copilot has many fans, and for many, the ability to use Copilot is more important than all the other "batteries-included" features. It's not for me or anyone else to judge. Everyone should make their own choices. Regarding plugins, I'm with Helix from the beginning, i have read everything, and I understand the motivation well and can accept it. Perhaps this is what the ideal editor looks like for creators, but it def…

Why do you consider switching to ZED from Neovim? ZED is lightyears away from a good Neovim setup in terms of functionality and efficiency. The problem with Neovim is the setup and config to do all, but you already mastered it.
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