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Re: Cloud Egress Costs

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Post by lumost »

dijit wrote: post #137
echelon wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

One thing we should all have a subtle understanding of: if you are a company selling infrastructure tooling as a service (Vercel, for example). You should probably try to avoid hyperscalers. The adage is that you should outsource the things that are not your core competence. However if your product is infrastructure for developers then outsourcing that is going to be painful. You are forced to pass down costs from yo…

Practically, this means that if you are an infrastructure tolling company - then you must reinvent all pieces of the cloud supply chain before building your product.

That’s a very expensive proposition. While the paper cost of a few racks in a colo is low - the people time to get where you want to be is high. If you mess up in this evolution - there is a risk that others outcompete you on something that isn’t your core product.

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Post by alanfranz »

We should also remember that, for google cloud, if you’d like to migrate away you actually can without paying egress costs:

https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/networking/eliminatin...

This doesn’t change business as usual egress fees, it’s likely a stopgap to prevent being accused of anticompetitive practices.

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Post by 8organicbits »

One trick to watch out for: a cloud provider offering inexpensive egress can still make high-egress expensive by controlling the network speed of their instances. Several vendors require you to scale your whole instance if you saturate any of the components (like needing to upgrade from the 2 CPU to the 4 CPU instance to increase the network throughput, even though you don't need more CPU). On paper egress looks cheap and the instances look well priced for the hardware you get, but if you workload doesn't need balanced a balanced instance (1 CPU / 1 GB RAM / etc.) the pricing can get wonky.

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Post by Spooky23 »

amluto wrote: post #41
PreInternet01 wrote: post #7

The cost of egress traffic is a very good reason for many organizations to not fully migrate to a cloud provider anytime soon. And since, unlike with storage costs, there doesn't seem to be an actual reason (other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases), that seems kind of... weird? Small example: an actual company I do some work for is in the business of delivering creative ass…

> other than: it makes migrating to competitors cost-prohibitive in a subset of cases My theory: it forces third party services into the same cloud. Suppose you use AWS and you want to pay a third party SaaS provider for some service involving moderate-to-large amounts of data. Here’s one of many examples: https://www.snowflake.com/en/data-cloud/pricing-options/ And look at this remarkable choice: you get to pick AWS…

That’s definitely a factor. You can even pay AWS for the infrastructure used by SaaS apps to aggregate more volume.

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Post by foofie »

8organicbits wrote: post #194

One trick to watch out for: a cloud provider offering inexpensive egress can still make high-egress expensive by controlling the network speed of their instances. Several vendors require you to scale your whole instance if you saturate any of the components (like needing to upgrade from the 2 CPU to the 4 CPU instance to increase the network throughput, even though you don't need more CPU). On paper egress looks chea…

> Several vendors require you to scale your whole instance if you saturate any of the components (...)

Interesting. Which cloud providers do you have in mind?

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Post by _cenw »

ijhuygft776 wrote: post #58
_cenw wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

heavily recommending against wasabi, they increased prices recently and announced this via their newsletter, the one with an unsubscribe button, and then blamed me for unsubscribing (and never refunded the charge). highly unprofessional and a lack of understanding of the GDPR for someone who is supposed to hold all your data.

Do a credit card charge back and unsubscribe from the service (if they let you unsubscribe, lol)... If they don't let you unsubscribe, report your card stolen (I do that once in a while).

It wasn't worth fighting them over. And posting once on HN about the experience does a lot more to incentivize them to be better anyway.

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Post by lannisterstark »

alanfranz wrote: post #193

We should also remember that, for google cloud, if you’d like to migrate away you actually can without paying egress costs: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/networking/eliminatin... This doesn’t change business as usual egress fees, it’s likely a stopgap to prevent being accused of anticompetitive practices.

Doesn't backblaze also just send you a hard drive with your data on it as long as you "pre-pay" for it and then refunds you when you return it?

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Post by jayveeone »

wmf wrote: post #99
zokier wrote: post #71

I wonder what would be the implications of AWS egress traffic increasing significantly (like order of magnitude). It is easy to rant about costs when you do not need to consider the consequences. Obviously AWS would need to build up their own network capacity, that's the easy part. More importantly they would need build up interchange infra too. This is the point I struggle to even imagine what the scale is like. Is…

If AWS has massive diseconomies of scale that calls into question the entire model of public cloud.

What public cloud?

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Post by wolfendin »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #178
echelon wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazing: Cloudflare -- Free for most services OVH Cloud -- Free and unlimited Scaleway -- Free for most services Great: Hetzner 20-60 TB / mo per instance $1.08 Not bad: Linode 1-20 TB / mo per instance $5.00 Oracle Cloud 10 TB / mo $8.50 A bit much: Backblaze 3x the amount of data stored $10.00 Bunny CDN -- $10.00 DigitalOcean 100 GB - 10 TB / mo per instance $10.00 UpCloud 500 GB - 24 TB / mo per instance $10.77 Vu…

In the case of fly.io it’s a little different because they have a anycast network with traffic being accepted at the closest region and being proxied to your running VM. This is not unlike a CDN, and if you look at the North America/Europe pricing of most CDNs, fly.io is quite similar.

Anycast does not really make the pricing that different.

Especially since one does not have to backhaul the traffic to one specific PoP.

Cloudflare manages to run their Anycast CDN as a loss leader just fine.

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