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entitled brat because she feels she deserves answers for being fired without warning or performance management?
or entitled brat because she's a woman?
Cloudflare lays off new hires
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#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same here ( shares) , this was all mentioned last year around q1 on investor day for improving the sales department and firing underperformers: https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... section: profitability The idea, a year ago, was to replace underperformers by average performers in sales. That was the first round of layoffs that Cloudflare had and impacted ~ 100 people. The girl in the video…
Hey look... as a shareholder particularly, I have no problem with laying off underperformers in any department, especially sales asap. What rubs me the wrong way is twofold: What the folks laid off are saying about their packages. Specifically healthcare, if it's true it seems particularly cruel, give them 6 months (even if they've only been there a couple). Second, in the video the tiktok woman posted, if it's accur…
Jup. I agree with most of that, but I also don't have the details.
She mentions a couple of things regarding performance:
- 1,5 month, off-ramp
- 3 opportunities/prospects
- 0 sales
Perhaps something came to light after follow up with prospects in those 3 opportunities.
Or the metric is off for newer hires. Since I guess most were hired around May last year.
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It seems to me like she's having new-to-the-professional-workforce growing pains.
I.e., she's still learning what's normal regarding employment relationships, job safety, etc.
Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires
#194This seems to be consistent to what was mentioned last year ( May 2023 ) on investor day. https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... section: profitability The idea, a year ago, was to replace underperformers in sales by average performers, this impacted ~ 100 people early 2023. Fast forward today, this seems to impact those that were expecting to reach average sales, they probably were also unde…
No matter how we try, half our salespeople keep performing worse than the median. It's intolerable.
Good old stack ranking.
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Of course, even most free-market types don't belive this. After all, we collectively pay for things like national defense because it very obviously makes more economic sense than each individual trying to defend against a foreign adversary. No, the "Each capable adult must be held accountable and responsible for themselves" is only trotted out against things a free-market ideologue doesn't like. It's a nonsense argum…
You're welcome to make a counter-argument for why an individual is entitled to something in this world, and I would welcome reading it.
And you're welcome to address what I just wrote, instead of trying to dictate that I use an argument you find more convenient for your position.
Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not entirely true. She did cut them off when they were giving out corporate speak. She asked for details, and they didn't have any details for her. I would have expected them to have a list of specific reasons, possibly prepared by her manager, and if she wanted to challenge them, then schedule a follow up meeting. But the "follow up meeting" is often just a way to make the complaint go away, rather than addre…
> She did cut them off when they were giving out corporate speak. She cut them off after 21 seconds and then went into a heated complaint, including calling what they're doing "bullshit" > She asked for details, and they didn't have any details for her. Once someone becomes this heated, the only real option is to reschedule a followup call after the person has had time to cool down. Nothing good would have come from…
> She cut them off after 21 seconds and then went into a heated complaint, including calling what they're doing "bullshit"
It was Bullshit, textbook bullshit : https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691122946/on....
Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires
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I think it complicates matters with her being in sales. It’s a much more cutthroat area in companies the size of Cloudflare from what I’ve seen. If you don’t perform you get cut loose really fast. I have a family member in tech sales and it blows my mind how easy it is to get fired.
I’ve seen the opposite: since AEs typically have very low base salaries, companies can afford to keep them around longer.
That’s interesting. I wonder if it has to do with size. I work at a really large company and the commissions are apparently lower but the sales jobs appear more stable. The companies my family member has worked at all fall in the 500-1000 range. Not small but definitely in the sort of high growth phase.
Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're welcome to make a counter-argument for why an individual is entitled to something in this world, and I would welcome reading it.
And you're welcome to address what I just wrote, instead of trying to dictate that I use an argument you find more convenient for your position.
Frankly, it is difficult to "address" a subjective opinion without having been given the criteria for a satisfactory answer. But I will try: being a responsible adult includes contributing to national defense.
Re: Cloudflare lays off new hires
#199Plenty of these on LI today unfortunately. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/skoroleva_opentowork-techsale... https://twitter.com/BowTiedPassport/status/17451497589921956...
Yikes on that second link, I seriously hope she told them she was recording the call or she may run into some two-party consent issues.
I'm not sure that California's law applies as this does not appear to be a recording of a telephone call. It seems to be a recording of some sort of Team's type meeting, which I am unsure the law applies to.
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#200I don't understand why Cloudflare can't just be honest and say the reason she got laid off, instead of making up some garbage about her performance. That was her main complaint, and I side with her completely. She was not asking to keep her job, or asking unreasonable questions. If they just explained that it was because the company overhired, or because they needed to reduce costs to keep the company afloat, that wo…
> I don't understand why Cloudflare can't just be honest and say the reason she got laid off, instead of making up some garbage about her performance. In the video she says she was hired August 25th, or 4.5 months ago. She also says she hasn't "closed anything officially", or in other words zero sales. I understand this is an emotionally charged topic, but the unfortunate reality is that being past your ramp-up perio…
I don’t know how tech sales work so I’m speaking from an uneducated place here - but is 4.5 months enough time to close any sales?
I imagine that at least a month of that 4.5 months is spent onboarding and shadowing someone else to see how the company handles sales. I also imagine that any tech sales right now are difficult to close given the shrinking customer base due to the number of startups that are folding. And just from my experience being a customer in these engagements - sometimes these sales do take a while to close, since there’s a trial period and figuring out if the product is actually a good fit for the company before the sale goes through. You factor in the time it takes for companies to do the legal/compliance review… it probably takes minimum a quarter to close some of these deals.
Anyway, just trying to get at the fact that her not closing anything isn’t necessarily indicative of poor performance given the context.