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The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by webdoodle »

TrackerFF wrote: post #65

Makes me wonder how the advertisement industry is going to cope with the ever-growing influx of non-human users. What happens when the conversion rates plummet to zero? Maybe I'm cynic, but a completely walled-off / paid internet doesn't seem too unrealistic. You'll have to pay a subscription to every website you want to visit. On one side you have the open internet wasteland, filled to the brim with AI bots / genera…

...and lose all your privacy as those paid internet sites siphon off your search terms, pattern match your purchasing and consumption, and sell advanced psychological profiles to Cambridge Analytica so they can turn around and use it to psyop you into voting for another shitbag Billionaire.

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Post by mo_42 »

Generally, I'm an optimistic about current approaches towards AI. I'm using ChatGPT daily for my work. I'm seeing the BS generated from it all the time but it provides many great ideas from which I create something useful (both writing and programming).

The sinus example scares me. It's obviously wrong. But what about all the subtle errors that will be generated?

Humanity's knowledge is bootstrapped from BS. But most of it is long forgotten. On the internet, the BS ends up in the training data of the next iteration. I guess curation of quality text corpora will be an important thing in the next years.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by trey-jones »

Before the "AI" takeover, it was already full of SEO-mandated human-generated bullshit, so we haven't actually lost that much in the last couple of years. I've been saying it for almost as long as I've been in the industry, which is well over a decade now.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by gfodor »

Ultimately cryptography, up to and including the use of decentralized ledgers, will help mitigate some of this, by carving out ground facts that can be mutually agreed upon without risk of AI interference. The people who hate AI the most often hate crypto too, so it will be interesting to see how they resolve this.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by klondike_klive »

tivert wrote: post #49
queuebert wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that's never happened before. You're crazy.

> No, that's never happened before. You're crazy. Start filling up Discords with insane AI-generated garbage, and maybe you can devalue the data to the point it won't get sold. It's probably totally practical too, just create channels filled with insane bots talking to each other, and cultivate the local knowledge that real people just don't go there. Maybe even allow the insane bots on the main channels, and cultiva…

The equivalent of "locals don't go to this area after dark"? I instinctively like it, but only because I flatter myself that I would be a local. I can't see it working to any scale.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by krapp »

htrp wrote: post #177
mingus88 wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already have AI generated audio and video. This is a stopgap at best. Maybe the mods will have to trick the AI by asking it to threaten them or any other kind of “ethical” trap but that will just mean the AI owners abandon ethical controls

Voight-Kampff test

Not actually a real thing.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by skydhash »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #186
mewpmewp2 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, there's this weird stigma about making typos, but in the end writing online is about communication and making yourself understandable. Typos here and there don't make a difference and thinking otherwise seems like some needless "intellectual" superiority competition. Growing up people associate it with intelligence so many times, it's hard to not feel ashamed when making typos.

> Growing up people associate it with intelligence so many times, it's hard to not feel ashamed when making typos. I mean, maybe you should? Like... everything has a spell checker now. The browser I'm typing this comment in, in a textarea input with ZERO features (not a complaint HN, just an observation, simple is good) has a functioning spellcheck that has already flagged for me like 6 errors, most of which I have g…

Same and I'm not even a native English speaker. My comments are probably full of errors, but I always make sure that I pass the default spellcheck. I even have paid for Language Tool as a better spellcheck. It's faster to parse a correct sentence. So that me respecting your time as you probably don't care about my writings as much as I do.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by krapp »

nicbou wrote: post #160
branon wrote: post #5

Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

I strongly disagree. I've been answering immigration questions online for a long time. People frequently comment on threads from years ago, or ask about them in private. In other words, public content helps a lot of other people over time. On the other hand, the stuff in private Facebook groups has a shelf life of a few days at best. If your goal is to share useful knowledge with the broadest possible audience, Disco…

"Sharing useful knowledge with the broadest possible audience," unfortunately, is the worst possible thing you can do nowadays.

I hate that the internet is turning me into that guy, but everything is turning into shit and cancer, and AI is only making an already bad situation worse. Bots, trolls, psychopaths, psyops and all else aside, anything put on to the public web now only contributes to its metastasis by feeding the AI machine. It's all poisoned now.

Closed, gatekept communities with ephemeral posts and aggressive moderation, which only share knowledge within a limited and trusted circle of confirmed humans, and only for a limited time, designed to be as hostile as possible to sharing and interacting the open web, seem to be the only possible way forward. At least until AI inevitably consumes that as well.

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by mingus88 »

codexb wrote: post #153

Lets be honest, the internet has always been full of Dogshit. Teachers have long warned us about using Wikipedia as a source. Fake news has always existed. Real news has been diluting itself with questionably true clickbait for years. The mass scramble by companies to hastily use AI is just further diluting and tainting the standard information outlets we've used.

How old are you?

Xillenial here and the internet was a utopia when I first explored it.

Everyone you interacted with was similarly curious and interesting. All the content was some flavor of passion project.

I’ve recently been getting into ham radio because it has a similar feel to me as the early internet. You need a license and an outlay of equipment and everyone else is a hobbyist also. It’s not an app anyone can use with their thumbs.

I think we’ll see a backlash at some point where people abandon these app-driven spaces and we go back to grass roots communities.

At least I hope so

Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit

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Post by raesene9 »

welder wrote: post #107
branon wrote: post #5

Never thought I'd say this, but in times like these, with clearnet in such dire straits, all the information siloed away inside Discord doesn't seem like such a bad thing. Remaining unindexable by search engines all but guarantees you'll never appear alongside AI slop or be used as training data. The future of the Internet truly is people - the machines can no longer be trusted to perform even the basic tasks they on…

Discord is searchable: https://www.answeroverflow.com/

I think that answer overflow is opt-in, that is individual communities have to actively join it, for their content to show up. That would mean that (unless answer overflow becomes very popular), most discord content isn't visible that way.
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