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Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_pigeon Passenger pigeons were hunted by Native Americans, but hunting intensified after the arrival of Europeans, particularly in the 19th century. Pigeon meat was commercialized as cheap food, resulting in hunting on a massive scale for many decades. There were several other factors contributing to the decline and subsequent extinction of the species, including shrinking of th…

Because of the laws of international waters etc it’s essentially impossible to police, short of aircraft/naval patrols being willing to fire on violators on sight. There is no legal basis to keep another nation from overfishing as long as it happens in international waters, and china largely just does what they want even in territorial waters. Unless you’re willing to start an international incident the best you can do is get one boat while the other 49 slip by with their haul.

We set up the laws of the sea basically on the same model as the United Nations. They’re there to keep the peace between international powers, not produce good governance.

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As someone who eats almost exclusively vegan I think it would be great as the whole world faces these issues, we see lots of switches to eating tofu or plant based foods. Way cheaper. Can’t get so fat and unhealthy. And far healthier since most vegans and vegetarians live long and healthy lives compared to other groups. Poke tastes great with tofu btw. We shouldn’t destroy the oceans. Anyway I’m bracing for the inevi…

> Can’t get so fat and unhealthy. Nah you can eat just as bad vegan food. Most vegan burgers are just fat patties much worse than those made of lean beef. As with any type of food it depends on the choices you make within the class and the amount of it. I think the reason vegans and vegetarians are healthier is mainly because they are more conscious of what they're eating in the first place. And depending on where yo…

> I think the reason vegans and vegetarians are healthier

They aren't. This repeated claim has been never confirmed scientifically.

Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Fish is not categorized as "meet" not even "meat". But as others said: People love getting told what to eat, do, drive, think, vote.

What kind of definition or distinction do you apply for deciding what is meat? Because I personally struggle to find a reason for why fish should be an exception, and at least Wikipedia also defines meat as "animal flesh that is eaten as food".

Many cultures draw a clear dietary distinction between between meat, bird, and fish (With 'meat' specifically referring to mammal flesh).

Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Fish-hunting on an industrial scale should be banned, it's completely unsustainable, regardless of quotas, international agreements, conservation efforts, etc, and it's just backward - we don't wild-hunt anything else for food at such scale, we farm it.

Re: Tuna species popular in sashimi and poke bowls in sharp decline

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Isn't this issue almost exclusively caused by the Chinese fishermen?

What evidence has lead you to this belief?

math evidence show that 1000000 > 10.

"Exclusively" is a big claim, but is reasonable to assume that the country with the supersized fleet catches more fishes

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Tuna (horrific overfishing) and octopus (intelligence) are the two animals I won't eat.

Amusing anecdote - I used to eat octopus whenever I could get my hands on it, but always as an ingredient in a larger dish - e.g. chunks of octopus in a stew or sauce. One day I ordered octopus tentacle from a tapas bar, and it arrived whole (and beautifully presented as a centerpiece of sorts). This surfaced many memories of nature documentaries demonstrating the wit and resilience of the octopus. Looking at the del…

Sorry to hear that you developed an irrational phobia. But lets try to see the positive side of this history: more octopus for me.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of definition or distinction do you apply for deciding what is meat? Because I personally struggle to find a reason for why fish should be an exception, and at least Wikipedia also defines meat as "animal flesh that is eaten as food".

Many cultures draw a clear dietary distinction between between meat, bird, and fish (With 'meat' specifically referring to mammal flesh).

Based on what reasoning? Do they also consider whales as source of meat as they're mammals?

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> but a quite search of market data reveals that China isn't even in the top 10 of tuna producers NOR consumers. To be in that rank, a country would need first to declare the real number of the captures officially. But it does not really matter. Is all about collateral effects. "we catch only herrings and respect the Tuna (liar, liar, fins on fire), so why 9 of each 10 tuna in the planet vanished?". Hem... Are we tal…

It's global market data, not political propaganda. If people get these numbers wildly wrong, they lose money. The "Chinese numbers can never be trusted" canard can only be stretched so far when it comes to global economic data that is materially validated on a daily basis by countless non-Chinese stakeholders.

> If people get these numbers wildly wrong, they lose money

Oh, my sweet summer child. Is more like the opposite of losing money, in fact.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308597X1...

Take a look to the keywords section first

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post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many cultures draw a clear dietary distinction between between meat, bird, and fish (With 'meat' specifically referring to mammal flesh).

Based on what reasoning? Do they also consider whales as source of meat as they're mammals?

Usually cost and availability. Poultry and (if near water) fish are a fairly regular part of the diet, whereas meat, due to its cost is something for the well-off, or special occasions.

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Fish-hunting on an industrial scale should be banned, it's completely unsustainable, regardless of quotas, international agreements, conservation efforts, etc, and it's just backward - we don't wild-hunt anything else for food at such scale, we farm it.

They really do need to just figure out how to farm all marine species and stop this madness of depleting up to 90% or more of natural stock. It's absurd, they're causing ecological collapse globally.
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