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I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by bisby »

iknowstuff wrote: post #167
developerDan wrote: post #131

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When I Googled how to complete this task I came across multiple results all of which suggesting to use a string of CLI commands. GParted was suggested in some of the results but it wasn’t installed by default on the distro I was recommended (Lubuntu) so I had to punch in even more commands to get it installed. Then after creating the partition it was still unusable until I mounted the drive (which wasn’t clear until…

I swear the biggest problem with linux is the nerds pushing newbies towards esoteric garbage distros instead of established and widely supported ones like straight up Ubuntu with Gnome.

The biggest problem with linux is definitely finding the right distro. Ubuntu is awful. With their move towards "snaps everything" it just keeps getting worse. Canonical is basically Linux's Microsoft. A lot of the "established" stuff on Ubuntu is just duct tape that actually makes it worse overall. Ubuntu might have an easier getting started experience, but it's not a good long term experience.

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Post by Brian_K_White »

infecto wrote: post #65
Brian_K_White wrote: post #59

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Sorry I am not going down this low brow path. We can agree to disagree. I just don’t think it helps an ecosystem to tell people the software they want to run is garbage.

I do. I think it helps the ecosystem more than any other reaction. I'm not sure we can agree to disagree. I don't think you are allowing it, and certainly I am not.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by Brian_K_White »

infecto wrote: post #56
Brian_K_White wrote: post #53

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But it's the simple facts. The best possible, most correct, most defensible, most world-improving advice to give for dealing with a user-hostile product or service, is to have the strength of will to reject it and live without it, and live the example to show that it's possible and you won't die. Or at the very least, it is AT LEAST as defensible a stance as "The more pragmatic/adult approach is to give the bully wha…

I genuinely appreciate you proving my point. I am not here debating DRM or anticheat. Simple pointing out that telling someone the game they play is garbage because it uses anticheat does nothing but hurts the Linux ecosystem. You can come up with another essay but I don’t think it disproves what I am saying. Telling someone the game they play is garbage is not increasing the Linux user base. I am sure there will be…

Who said "we don't want those kind of users"? The game publishers are saying that!

The people you're trying to criticize are themselves only rejecting the software and the publishers that use it, and for a completely explicable and defensible reason, not because it's the wrong tribal colors or religion.

You are consistently neglecting to acknowledge the basic order of operations and ignoring the initial act and offense in order to focus on a reaction that you don't like and to excuse the initial act that you personally don't have a problem with.

I am saying that you only have the right to say that the deal proposed by drm and anticheat systems is acceptable to you, not to go one mm further to say that anyone else is ogbligated to feel the same, and is in any way hostile or harming the ecosystem or anything like that if they don't.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by cyanydeez »

mat0 wrote: post #67

What a thorough and interesting post. I would personally never do something like this. The most tinkering I've ever done with Linux was in my RaspberryPi era and that's 1% at most. So props to the author

if you want a tv, soon there may be no real choice.

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

dataangel wrote: post #180
ParetoOptimal wrote: post #146

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> The quality of the packages available for Arch is what made me move from NixOS. Can you give some examples of this please? I generally find the NixOS packages high quality.

Unless you care about packages from lang package managers like pip...

You can get those, but its more work on NixOS if not already packaged.

I'm undecided on what I think about this since... I frequently get bitten by reproducibility issues of pip packages.

Anything packaged in nixplgs generally rarely fails for me, especially in the more complex cases of cuda/pytorch.

I suppose I'm more likely to want "pytorch except" where that except is a newer dependency or build flag improving performance.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by rollcat »

frutiger wrote: post #172
techknowlogick wrote: post #145

I love this kind of deep dive into customizing the software/OS on a device you own. Glad that "Tivoization" isn't a concern for the steamdeck. The most interesting part of the article was the mention of a /nix partition, as I didn't realize the steamdeck supports nixpkgs, after researching it more, they do indeed (not installed by default, but at least it is possible without having to fork an entire os to get it on t…

nix has always been installable onto any *nix OS without requiring you to “fork an entire OS”. You can put the nix store in any writable location and modify $PATH to point to the symlinks directory.

Not if your / filesystem lacks the /nix directory to use as a mountpoint, and happens to be a read-only image. Something that needs a workaround on macOS.

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by frutiger »

rollcat wrote: post #197
frutiger wrote: post #172

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nix has always been installable onto any *nix OS without requiring you to “fork an entire OS”. You can put the nix store in any writable location and modify $PATH to point to the symlinks directory.

Not if your / filesystem lacks the /nix directory to use as a mountpoint, and happens to be a read-only image. Something that needs a workaround on macOS.

It has been a while since I last used it, but I was under the impression that the store location was customisable and thus could be anywhere?

Re: I forked SteamOS for my living room PC

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #118

Interesting read! The A/B upgrade sounds a bit overkill, you can always just pop up a live distro or install a recovery system (on an old version) in a partition in case something goes wrong. I recently moved to Arch after a few years of NixOS (preceded by years of Arch) and I think the fears of the author are misplaced. Arch is definitely a very serious and mature distro and I'd trust them more than Valve. The quali…

> The A/B upgrade sounds a bit overkill, you can always just pop up a live distro or install a recovery system (on an old version) in a partition in case something goes wrong.

Could, sure, but we have the technology to make it unnecessary and disk isn't that expensive, so why not?

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