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In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by nsagent »

SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #102
nsagent wrote: post #79

As someone in the Apple ecosystem, Firefox is not a very compelling alternative. I've certainly tried: Firefox Focus was my main iOS browser for a few years (I know it's Webkit-based) and I've tried switching on desktop as well. On desktop, various Firefox updates would change my settings subtly and nag me about features I had no interest in. On top of that, it was simply a slower browser, both with DOM manipulation…

I don't know what browser you've tried, but it certainly is not Firefox Quantum. That browser in my experience is on par with Chrome's performance.

Legitimately curious. Considering Firefox Quantum was released in 2017, is it even possible that my M1 is running any other version of Firefox? Doesn't seem likely considering the copy on the Mozilla site [1] for Firefox Quantum:

> Firefox Quantum was a revolution in Firefox development. In 2017, we created a new, lightning fast browser that constantly improves. Firefox Quantum is the Firefox Browser.

[1]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/browsers/quantum/

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by buffalobuffalo »

jcalvinowens wrote: post #5

I switched back to firefox last year and haven't looked back. I still use chrome on another laptop sometimes, the performance difference from my human perspective is literally zero. These days, it's much more common for me to encounter a website that works in firefox but not chrome than the other way around. I actually switched for good when I had to use firefox to file my taxes, because the IRS free self-file site w…

I just switched back to firefox yesterday. Not a long sample period, but so far I completely agree, less painful than chrome.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by bmikaili »

markx2 wrote: post #14

Firefox user since before it was Firefox. Daily: Firefox with probably too many blockers, tampermonkey, umatrix, Stylus. I aggressively block any and every element on sites I visit regularly. You get no stats from me. Also daily: Firefox Developer Ed for frequently visited sites where I need to login and every site is in a container tab. Brave - my daily puzzle fix for Wordle, Wordiply, Travle, Tradle (no logins, cle…

For extensions, I recommend people follow the recommendations[1] in the arkenfox repo and either harden their firefox or use librewolf. Umatrix is unmaintained since 2019.

[1] https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by bloopernova »

charrondev wrote: post #159
bloopernova wrote: post #67

From yesterday's Firefox thread: Firefox has multiple compelling reasons to use it: Sync[1] only what you allow, bookmarks/history/extensions/etc Containers keep sites separated nicely[2] Tree Style Tabs[3] uBlock Origin on Android[4] Open Source since 1998! Not based on Chromium [1] Be wary of sync on a fresh Linux install, it might sync the default bookmarks and merge them with your own. Not a huge deal but definit…

I really wish Firefox just implemented a high quality first party tab solution. I’ve been using Arc on my MacOS devices and Edge on windows devices because I just like a nice first party vertically tabbed browser.

Oh absolutely agreed. I use Tree Style Tabs (TST) and consider it essential now, but I wish Firefox would embrace vertical tabs as a way to remain distinct from Google Chrome.

I have 15 tabs open right now. The tabs' titles are easy to read, and different sites have different colours assigned to them. My Kagi searches open in new tabs, which are automatically set as child branches/leaves of the parent tab, which helps me to organize my work. If I go over about 30 tabs, I can just scroll the TST view with the mouse wheel, it's very easy and is non-intrusive to my workflow.

I can also bookmark tab trees, which is nice when I want to switch context from Python to Terraform for instance.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by subjectsigma »

arrowleaf wrote: post #36
jamiek88 wrote: post #12

We all switched to Firefox back in the day because it was better. Better than IE, there was no chrome and safari was a joke. Entreaties and ‘trying to make Fetch (firefox) happen’ won’t work, evidently. How do we make Firefox obviously better ? I’m core market for Firefox and just use Safari. Better battery life. And it’s just as good for privacy. At least that’s my impression. Is it wrong? If I don’t use it there’s…

Yeah, I actually switched from Firefox to Safari this month. I didn't know Safari had tab groups, the feature I missed from Chrome when using Firefox. No speed differences and Safari has less of a battery impact so far. Hard to complain about a browser that still cares about privacy, but with tighter OS integration.

What Adblock do you use with Safari? I would also like to try switching from Firefox to Safari but I haven’t found anything that can compete with uBO

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by Vinnl »

rglullis wrote: post #140
1970-01-01 wrote: post #24

>1. Privacy Firefox is the only major browser not built by a company that makes money from advertising and/or selling your personal data. Mozilla tracks and gives (sells?) unique information about every download to Google unless you choose to grab it from the FTP servers. https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-...

I use to be a supporter and I am a customer of Mozilla Relay, but I refuse to use their browser while they are financed by Google. It makes them nothing but controlled opposition.

I do appreciate the moral consistency of at least supporting alternative revenue models.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by europeanNyan »

xedrac wrote: post #76

I use Firefox exclusively, and I love the Rust language that took shape at Mozilla, but it makes me sad to see HN censor comments that point out Mozilla's despicable behavior when they fired Brandon Eich because he didn't espouse gay marriage.

I'm using Firefox everywhere I can, but in all honesty, this whole flagging issue is making me want to switch to Brave.

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by behnamoh »

culi wrote: post #176
closewith wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, there's plenty of examples of sites breaking on Firefox. For example, the recent degraded performance on Youtube linked to Firefox User Agent strings.

Yeah but that's not on Mozilla in any way. That's just Google's anti-competitive practices. Firefox refuses to jump on Google's attempts to ban adblockers with Manifest V3 so Google wants to punish them

What matters for the end user is the experience. If using FF will lead to a poor experience on certain websites, then why recommend it?

Do people honestly believe that if they keep recommending FF, people will magically switch to FF and Google will be forced to stop its anti-competitive practices?

Re: In 2024, please switch to Firefox

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Post by jerojero »

krastanov wrote: post #85
jcalvinowens wrote: post #5

I switched back to firefox last year and haven't looked back. I still use chrome on another laptop sometimes, the performance difference from my human perspective is literally zero. These days, it's much more common for me to encounter a website that works in firefox but not chrome than the other way around. I actually switched for good when I had to use firefox to file my taxes, because the IRS free self-file site w…

Firefox out of the box indeed does not cause broken websites. However, the demographic of this forum probably will use Firefox with "Multi-Account Containers", "Temporary Containers", "uBlock Origin", and a few more. These are amazing for privacy and productivity, but will occasionally cause broken websites. Source: I am a Firefox-first user who occasionally uses plugin-less Chrome because the aforementioned plugins…

I have chrome installed. In the rare occasion that Firefox does not do a good job I just switch to chrome for that website and then go back.

This is usually the case if there might be forms or something like that. It's minor enough that it doesn't bother me.

Now, on the other hand, tab management is so much better with chrome and I've considered using Chrome for that reason alone. At work I do use chrome because I usually have 10-15 websites open at a time (for example I like to keep one tab group per ticket and every related item to it there).

I do use simple tab groups on Firefox but it's not good enough at least to replace my workflow at work.

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