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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Last year it was IoT

Is that true, or just a joke? It's honestly hard to tell.

I swear 2019 was last year https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/04/introducing-mozilla-webthi...

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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It is closer to 20 years. She was a founding member of Mozilla. Look back at the early financial statements, in a vacuum a few 100k to several 100k sounds like a lot. When you compare it to other executives in the Bay Area or the US she was significantly under paid compared to peers. Especially when considering stock options. What would it cost Mozilla to hire someone else? Before someone here says that they would be…

>Before someone here says that they would be the CEO for less money than Michael. Can you get an appointment with the vice president of search at Google and Microsoft? Could you call their bosses and get though? I'm sorry? My entire life I've been told that CEOs make 1000x as much money as me for golfing and writing a couple emails a week because they're genius Ubermenschen whose illuminating strategic insights add o…

IMO it’s mostly because it’s a miserable job that few would be willing to do. I at least wouldn’t, no matter how many millions they throw at me - even disregarding all the career ladder climbing that is needed to be considered for such a role in the first place.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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I posted some stats from our website a few weeks ago [0], GA was heavily undercounting FF compared to our server-side stats based on UAs. One other thing to remember, is to check the falling of desktop usage, because a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. [0]: https://news.ycombi…

> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Hm weird I have the inverse experience with Chrome…

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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I posted some stats from our website a few weeks ago [0], GA was heavily undercounting FF compared to our server-side stats based on UAs. One other thing to remember, is to check the falling of desktop usage, because a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. [0]: https://news.ycombi…

> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Firefox on android also has syncing, you can open up the 'share' and send pages directly to your various firefox browsers. It will sync passwords etc. I haven't had any rendering issues and have been using FFM-Nightly for years now.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Governments have been creating web/native/mobile apps for some time, which is a trend that continues to accelerate. Firefox continues to limp along but seemingly can't even retain its most ardent fans, and there's no sign of this changing. What if the EU were to fork Firefox (Openfox?) and fund its evolution of a privacy-first alternative? Among other benefits, this would: • Help ensure that key digital infrastructur…

State-based, forked software? Good grief!

No fork please. But do pay more contributors to work on the upstream codebase towards benefiting Firefox's downstream.

PS: don't forget eidas 2.0 has a loophole regarding SSL snooping, check EFF's article on eidas 2.0's article 45.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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I posted some stats from our website a few weeks ago [0], GA was heavily undercounting FF compared to our server-side stats based on UAs. One other thing to remember, is to check the falling of desktop usage, because a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. [0]: https://news.ycombi…

> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

I exclusively use FF, with Chrome on Android and Desktop only being there for cross browser testing, I never have rendering issues, only issues brought by extensions (mainly uBlock Origin), or FF’s tracking protection, both of which can be disabled.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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(×_×) We need a modular, open source browser engine desperately; one not beholden to Google or any other for profit entity. The Servo people are trying, but the task is enormous. I don't know what can be done (。•́︿•̀。)

Could you elaborate on modularity?

Also Chromium is there, it's open enough to be a base for Chrome, Brave, Edge, and probably a few more, and it's open source, forkable at any moment Google adds something unpatchably bad. (of course independent implementations are welcome, but the ultimate goal is a healthier web through user freedom, and that doesn't necessitate Firefox directly, a ChromiumFox would be just as perfect)

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Firefox on android also has syncing, you can open up the 'share' and send pages directly to your various firefox browsers. It will sync passwords etc. I haven't had any rendering issues and have been using FFM-Nightly for years now.

They're not saying "I use Chrome because only Chrome has syncing". They're saying "I use the same browser on mobile and desktop because of syncing, and I can't use Firefox on mobile because it has these bugs, so I end up using Chrome on both mobile and desktop."

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Governments have been creating web/native/mobile apps for some time, which is a trend that continues to accelerate. Firefox continues to limp along but seemingly can't even retain its most ardent fans, and there's no sign of this changing. What if the EU were to fork Firefox (Openfox?) and fund its evolution of a privacy-first alternative? Among other benefits, this would: • Help ensure that key digital infrastructur…

In concrete terms, what would this fork change compared to current Firefox? Just shouting "privacy-first alternative" is pretty vague. Also, good luck getting enough sustainable funding for that kind of project from the EU.

Most of EU funding for OSS project is spread out to lots of projects, with relatively small amounts - Gnome got $1M recently and celebrated as a "big" milestone. I'm not saying that this is bad, but that's not how you can fund a core browser team.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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> a large part of the modern internet users are mobile-only, and the amount of people who use anything but what Google tells them to (or Apple allows them to) is vanishingly small. I'm a Chrome user. Both on desktop and mobile because of the built in syncing. If I were able to switch to Firefox mobile (Android), I would. But the rendering is often broken or awkwardly different on Firefox mobile. I thought this is a t…

Which specific websites?

I hit a few in the past. But, I'm failing to find any of them at the moment... Maybe I should give Firefox mobile another try.

It could be that my baseline was the Chrome rendering, so any discrepancy was classified as "it's broken".

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