Why not avoid fighting these windmills by using any of the existing commercial mail relays for sending — like SES or mailchimp?
Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#192Why not avoid fighting these windmills by using any of the existing commercial mail relays for sending — like SES or mailchimp?
We shouldn't have to. These companies are fucking ridiculous and blanket ban entire swaths of the internet from sending email.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#193Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean. After half a dozens attempts over the years to delist my IP, and following all the best practices (dedicated fixed IP, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, FCrDNS, zero spam, TLS, etc.) I gave up. Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and they migrate to another email service.
I have a personal mail server and I too had no choice but to blacklist DO.
They generate a lot of phishing emails (rather than conventional spam). I used to diligently report it to their abuse contact, but they don't seem to care or do anything about it in the slightest.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#194Why not avoid fighting these windmills by using any of the existing commercial mail relays for sending — like SES or mailchimp?
We shouldn't have to. These companies are fucking ridiculous and blanket ban entire swaths of the internet from sending email.
We also shouldn’t have to have so much spam, but alas people are crappy. So the common routes get targeted. Welcome to the modern internet.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#195GMail is the worst for email blocking resolutions. They don't have an effective feedback loop built into their system. So when a user does block you, no one is told about it, to be fixed. Therefore lowering your reputation with them over time. How can we as ESPs respond to them appropriately with removal of these people who don't want our emails anymore, if we don't know who the user is? If there are any GMAIL servic…
Maybe ask yourself why some users end up blocking you altogether. Surely you didn't start sending them newsletters or the like without being completely certain that they wanted to receive them, and you provide a simple, prominent and reliable way to unsubscribe if/when they change their mind, right?
There's a block-by-default setup for new email servers. You have to go through the reputation-building process which is not at all clear nor is it always guaranteed to work.
Yes, it "works" for most people, but it also has the effect of entrenching the incumbent large email providers and preventing more independent providers from cropping up.
The current method is very lazy and collectively punishes a lot of innocent email providers for the crimes of the abusers.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#196Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean. After half a dozens attempts over the years to delist my IP, and following all the best practices (dedicated fixed IP, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, FCrDNS, zero spam, TLS, etc.) I gave up. Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and they migrate to another email service.
This probably isn’t directly helpful or relevant advice, but I don’t see a good reason to spend double on DigitalOcean droplets compared to what you get with Hetzner Cloud.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#197Outlook/Hotmail blocks DigitalOcean. After half a dozens attempts over the years to delist my IP, and following all the best practices (dedicated fixed IP, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, FCrDNS, zero spam, TLS, etc.) I gave up. Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and they migrate to another email service.
Oh, are you the creator of Colemak?
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
It occurs to me that I make fun of sovereign citizen types, but in tech we have our own set of rituals for getting large organizations to do what we want. While those people are still boneheads, maybe I should be more empathetic about their motivations and why they think that this time it might work .
People like to make fun of sovereign citizen types who think the law is magic spells, and if you only say the right words you have to be let off the hook or not pay taxes or whatever. The thing is though that that notion is absolutly right. The law is like fucking magic. what else could explain the fact that misspeaking even one word of the incantation will cause the magical shield of +5 "rights against self incrimin…
I do agree that we are in an unfortunate place where we do have spells and incantations that must be recited but... that's such BS. This ruling was pure BS and a common speaker would clearly understand the intent of the defendent's request.
Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
It occurs to me that I make fun of sovereign citizen types, but in tech we have our own set of rituals for getting large organizations to do what we want. While those people are still boneheads, maybe I should be more empathetic about their motivations and why they think that this time it might work .
People like to make fun of sovereign citizen types who think the law is magic spells, and if you only say the right words you have to be let off the hook or not pay taxes or whatever. The thing is though that that notion is absolutly right. The law is like fucking magic. what else could explain the fact that misspeaking even one word of the incantation will cause the magical shield of +5 "rights against self incrimin…
The US government can just revoke the rights of its own citizens if it wants. That's literally what stuff like the Patriot act was designed to do. The US government gives itself the right to steal from its own citizens via "civil forfeiture". The US government spies on its citizens 24/7.
The whole point of the right to own and bear arms is to guarantee the ability of citizens to defend themselves from and even fight the government should it turn into some corrupt, tyrannical and ultimately unconstitutional police state. The ultimate check and balance is the threat of violence.
Without that ability, all this "rights" nonsense is just magical thinking. No one has any rights that they cannot personally defend. No one enjoys any rights in 2023, they enjoy the government's mercy.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and the move to something else. Or people realise that DO's current anti-abuse is very insufficient and will move to something else.
Outlook/Hotmail is the only service that's blocking my emails. I've been with DigitalOcean for 10 years. Beforehand it was just a matter of filling a form and waiting 24 hours to get the IP whitelisted. A few years ago, Microsoft started refusing whitelisting IPs. DigitalOcean on the other hand started blocking SMTP by default for new customers since June/2022 [1], and thus significantly reduced the amount of spam co…
I block DO even on web servers. Their abuse policy is exactly at the quality you'd expect for the price.
My customers can't afford to add a datacenter every time DO customers decide to steal our shit.