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Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by tipiirai »

joshmanders wrote: post #188
tipiirai wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's the surprisingly poor quality of Catalyst compared to their other products and also how limited it is considering the price.

> I think it's the surprisingly poor quality It's also a friggen preview and uncompleted thing. They could have waited for the whole thing to be done and polished but everyone was barking at them "just release it I don't care if it's not done" Judging by your previous comments, you're not even a customer of theirs and have very misguided views on the product and it's pricing. I have a feeling you have a competing pro…

Obviously not the reason for my feedback on Catalyst

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by gedy »

hoofhearted wrote: post #186
hoofhearted wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tailwind and Hero Icons eclipsed Bootstrap and Font Awesome in NPM downloads a year or more ago.

I should mention that I did a study about 6 months ago for a government client, and successfully convinced them to migrate away from Bootstrap 4, Font Awesome, and an in-house patchwork of 10 years of different css styles, to Tailwind CSS and Hero Icons in their mission critical app. It took many long brain dump sessions, and some help from the U.S. Digital Service and Tailwind themselves. At the end of the day, Tail…

Font Awesome and Bootstrap Icons can be inlined too?

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

andruby wrote: post #126

What's with all the negativity here on HN, especially about the pricing? The Tailwind team created one of the most used CSS frameworks ever and charge nothing for it. The framework needs a revenue stream to enable continued investment. Rails has basecamp. Bootstrap had twitter. React has meta. Tailwind has Tailwind UI. I find it great value. It's a one-off cost comparable to hiring a designer or front-end developer f…

I agree with you on the pricing. I'm a Tailwind UI customer and have found it more than worth the money.

That said, it is disappointing to see recent work all tied to React. I generally prefer Phoenix LiveView (or Rails + Hotwire, etc) over a React/Angular/Vue approach. By tying it to React, they destroy most the value this kit would have otherwise had to me.

They already earned my money, though. I still enthusiastically recommend Tailwind UI to people.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by gedy »

hoofhearted wrote: post #187
ehutch79 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people using bootstrap wern't getting it through npm. It was a script tag importing off a cdn.

ReactStrap is npm though. That was the last time I used bootstrap about 2-3 years ago before going all in on Hero Icons, Headless-UI, and css design tokens and utility classes (Tailwind)

Reactstrap is only one library, there is react-bootstrap, and also many people don't use a specific library with Bootstrap.

Tailwind is neat but I think people get a little too rah-rah about it given the build complexity and integrating with existing codebases.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by gedy »

b1n wrote: post #95
tipiirai wrote: post #46

This is an unbelievably unfinished UI library. Especially with a price tag. A limited set of components with very little attention to detail. For example, the buttons lack the active state completely. Why would I pay €250 for something I can find easily for free?

Complaints about TailwindCSS always remind me of this quote: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-ge...

“It is difficult to get a junior dev to understand something, when his resume-building depends on his not understanding it.” ― gedy

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by johnfn »

toinewx wrote: post #28

More competition in the UI components is good. If you are new to the space, you may check Mantine components. They are arguably better and more mature. The reason Mantine is free is because the maintainer is not doing it for quick bucks.

> The reason Mantine is free is because the maintainer is not doing it for quick bucks.

Over time I've found that lack of monetization eventually leads to maintainers leaving the project. Paying money feels like a way to guarantee (to a degree) that the maintainer won't drop the project when their attention turns elsewhere.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by tazu »

perfmode wrote: post #10
erulabs wrote: post #3

As an infrastructure engineer who spends all day in Go and Bash and AWS I gotta say I’m a huge fan of Tailwind. This looks worth buying too. People are blown away by my front end skills, baby I’m just letting Copilot and Tailwind whisper sweet anodyne nothings into my ear. Keep me as far away from design as you can; this helps!

Do you use Tailwind with Go templates?

Not parent, but I do. Go, SSR, vanilla JS, TailwindUI, SQLite, Litestream got us to $20k MRR for a niche CRM product.

TailwindUI provides HTML-only code and includes useful comments about class transitions, so I was able to handle the mobile hamburger menu and some form submission stuff in a tiny JS file, rather than React or Vue (which they also provide code for).

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by akkartik »

johnfn wrote: post #196
toinewx wrote: post #28

More competition in the UI components is good. If you are new to the space, you may check Mantine components. They are arguably better and more mature. The reason Mantine is free is because the maintainer is not doing it for quick bucks.

> The reason Mantine is free is because the maintainer is not doing it for quick bucks. Over time I've found that lack of monetization eventually leads to maintainers leaving the project. Paying money feels like a way to guarantee (to a degree) that the maintainer won't drop the project when their attention turns elsewhere.

We have both kinds of projects, the ones that are free so maintainers leave, and the ones that make money and the money warps incentives over time. Rather than free vs paid, I try these days to get a sense for the motivations of the creator, and whether those motivations feel sustainable for something durable. Sometimes they involve money, sometimes not.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by JasonSage »

tipiirai wrote: post #178
JasonSage wrote: post #151

There's something I genuinely don't understand in discussions of price, which is that folks seem to want to ignore basic economics. Something is either worth it to you or it's not. If it is worth it, and you want it, you may buy it. If it's not, then you don't buy it. The world keeps spinning. The Tailwind folks seem to think this may be worth $150 to some people. Those people might buy it. If you think it's not wort…

This is not a general discussion about price. This is about Catalyst and whether it has a good price/quality ratio. I don't think it has. How about you?

I think you're mistaking quality as a proxy for determining value to the purchaser. It might be low quality, and still absolutely worth $150 to folks who buy it.

Even if you can be 100% objective on quality, the only way to make any kind of sweeping price/quality assessment is to compare it to other things on the market. What do other things in this price range give you? What do similar quality products cost? This is where I see some valuable comparisons actually being made in this context.

> I don't think it has. How about you?

I just can't see how this adds to the discussion at all in light of the above. It reads like "this isn't worth $150 to me" and I just think, ok, it's not for you. /shrug

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Post by pcthrowaway »

christophilus wrote: post #36
doix wrote: post #20

Slightly off topic, but has anyone read the license[0]? This point feels really odd to me: > Creating an admin panel tool (like Laravel Nova or ActiveAdmin) that is made available either for sale or for free. I mostly get the other restrictions. You can't buy the kit then repackage it and sell it. But why can't you make an admin panel? [0] https://tailwindui.com/license

I think you can make an admin panel for your own application backend or whatever. You just can’t sell a general purpose admin panel product. At least, that’s my reading of it.

Yeah, creating a postgres admin panel would probably fine.

Creating an admin panel for a blogging platform that gives the admin a WYSIWYG-like experience that leverages tailwind ui is probably too close to competition

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