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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by wombat-man »

varispeed wrote: post #50
phailhaus wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't ban short-term rentals and just build housing, how does that fix the problem? People will buy it up and just put it on AirBnB.

Supply and demand. At one point there should be enough supply that AirBnB will bring too little profit for people to be bothered. Things like AirBnB work precisely because the supply is constrained.

I agree we should build more housing.

But in the meantime it's not helping to have a bunch of the housing stock dedicated to tourists. Now maybe banning airbnb will put such a damper on tourism that it becomes a problem, but let's deal with that problem when it happens.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by asdajksah2123 »

What these numbers show is that all the stuff people claim about NYC is backwards.

1. These declines are until mid 2022. NYC's population has rebounded since then big time. 2. No, it's not crime deterring people. Crime is heading back close to historic lows. It's cost of living that's deterring people. 3. Rich people are moving in/staying/people in NYC are getting richer. It's the poor who cannot afford to live in NYC that are leaving.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by homefree »

dukeyukey wrote: post #130
homefree wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't lived in manhattan ever, but I used to spend weeks there in 2014 for work (also in DC), and I've lived in London for a few months and now SF for years. Cities generally have more variety of types of food (Burmese, Indian, Thai, Chinese, Italian, Jewish, etc.) that can be hard to find in the midwest (I grew up in the rural-ish suburbs outside of Buffalo - maybe not technically midwest, but close enough). You…

The big one for me is the type of people there. I grew up in a very rural area, and worked in some big towns/small cities before coming to London. Maybe it's the sheer mass of people, but it's _much_ easier to find people on my wavelength in London than anywhere else. And that's something I'd happily give up food options, cultural events, and honestly quite a lot else for.

Yeah - this is probably the main benefit.

Cities draw lots of people, typically ambitious people, but really all types.

> Ambitious people are rare, so if everyone is mixed together randomly, as they tend to be early in people's lives, then the ambitious ones won't have many ambitious peers. When you take people like this and put them together with other ambitious people, they bloom like dying plants given water. Probably most ambitious people are starved for the sort of encouragement they'd get from ambitious peers, whatever their age. [0]

I generally think the above is true, but even outside of ambition there's just finding people to have interesting conversations with that are also interested in the things you're interested in whatever that might be. That's a lot easier with you live in an area that has more people, especially when it selects for the kind of people willing to move to a new place. It's one of the reasons global hubs have an advantage over mid-size cities and why the bay area has a specific advantage when it comes to tech.

[0]: http://www.paulgraham.com/determination.html

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by alex_lav »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53
gandalfgeek wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "resilience" argument was misused and misapplied during the pandemic. You also saw it used for school closures -- "kids are resilient". It seems to justify inflicting known harms by having faith in "resilience".

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

It's funny to see these bickerings still happening.

It was a no-win situation. Trying to save lives inflicted measurable harm. Doing nothing would also inflict measurable harm. Either side presenting their position as the "correct" position is just biased.

I would also assert that tying your faith in humanity to an unwinnable situation is probably not the correct move, but YMMV.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by phpisthebest »

busterarm wrote: post #190
eduction wrote: post #163

The comments here are funny. You have a bunch of people saying folks are fleeing NYC due to crime. Then other people saying folks are fleeing due to housing shortage and rents going up. It's like the old restaurant line, "no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded." Keep in mind, crime has risen for each of three years through 2022, and while that trend is worrisome, the actual number of crimes is only back up to 20…

Reported crimes. Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollars and lost record numbers of officers over the same period. Part of accurate crime statistics is actually finding an officer to report a crime to and then them giving you the time of day. And that's if you haven't given up on the city already and aren't "mindin' yo own business". I lived in NYC from 1984 through 2021 and I can tell you unequiv…

Yea, the way big cities seem to want to resolve the crime problem is to simply stop responding to crime calls, if no one can report a crime the crime never happened right???

SanFran seems to have this policy when it comes to shoplifting, never mind your eyes, or the video, since the police dept has a policy to never respond to retail theft, retail theft crimes are dropping... it is like magic.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by asdajksah2123 »

busterarm wrote: post #190
eduction wrote: post #163

The comments here are funny. You have a bunch of people saying folks are fleeing NYC due to crime. Then other people saying folks are fleeing due to housing shortage and rents going up. It's like the old restaurant line, "no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded." Keep in mind, crime has risen for each of three years through 2022, and while that trend is worrisome, the actual number of crimes is only back up to 20…

Reported crimes. Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollars and lost record numbers of officers over the same period. Part of accurate crime statistics is actually finding an officer to report a crime to and then them giving you the time of day. And that's if you haven't given up on the city already and aren't "mindin' yo own business". I lived in NYC from 1984 through 2021 and I can tell you unequiv…

There is an easy way to get around the "reported crimes" issue.

Look at murders. Dead bodies will not be hidden.

And murders are also showing returns close to historic lows.

Also, the cities people are moving to have much higher per capita crime than NYC (nearly every mid to major US city has much higher per capita crime than NYC because NYC is incredibly safe for a US city).

Here are the numbers (from July...this is what a quick DDG returned, but I'm sure more recent numbers will be similar).

https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00088/nypd-citywide-crim...

Homicides were down 35% since July 2022. Homicides almost certainly do not have the "reported" crime issue at least in the US.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by spamizbad »

busterarm wrote: post #190
eduction wrote: post #163

The comments here are funny. You have a bunch of people saying folks are fleeing NYC due to crime. Then other people saying folks are fleeing due to housing shortage and rents going up. It's like the old restaurant line, "no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded." Keep in mind, crime has risen for each of three years through 2022, and while that trend is worrisome, the actual number of crimes is only back up to 20…

Reported crimes. Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollars and lost record numbers of officers over the same period. Part of accurate crime statistics is actually finding an officer to report a crime to and then them giving you the time of day. And that's if you haven't given up on the city already and aren't "mindin' yo own business". I lived in NYC from 1984 through 2021 and I can tell you unequiv…

> Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollar

Where do you see that? Looking at their spending, that does not seem to be the case:

https://ibo.nyc.ny.us/RevenueSpending/nypd.html

Anyway, wasn't the election of former police officer Eric Adams supposed to be a turning point for the city? Did the tough-on-crime mayor not have a measurable impact on crime? I noticed in San Francisco they elected a moderate Mayor (London Breed) and tossed out their reformist DA in a recall but it does appear the crime problem seems intractable even for hardline moderates.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by [deleted] »

eduction wrote: post #163

The comments here are funny. You have a bunch of people saying folks are fleeing NYC due to crime. Then other people saying folks are fleeing due to housing shortage and rents going up. It's like the old restaurant line, "no one goes there anymore, it's too crowded." Keep in mind, crime has risen for each of three years through 2022, and while that trend is worrisome, the actual number of crimes is only back up to 20…

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by jghn »

wombat-man wrote: post #179
jghn wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Coming from the Midwest, it feels very old, dirty and poor yet somehow expensive and desirable. What am I missing? A counterpoint. I don't live in NYC but do live in a similar major "coastal elite" type city. When I visit the downtown areas of cities in the Midwest I'm always flabbergasted at how bad they are. Car culture reigns supreme, there's sprawl, while there's usually some portion of the inner downtown core…

Living a carless life is amazing. It gets hard if you're starting a family though, depending on what lifestyle you want to live.

There's a difference between a carless life and a non-car-centric life. I own a car and use it. But for most day-to-day business it's either unnecessary or worse than other options.
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