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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by ReactiveJelly »

ekianjo wrote: post #73
munk-a wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a pretty reasonable question when the salary is so incredibly out of line with what developers make. Is the CEO singlehandedly responsible for productivity equal to that of sixty or so developers?

Did I need to append a /s for people to get my comment?

Honestly yeah I had to read it a couple times, I didn't notice the joke right away, cause there are people out there who justify CEO salaries, I just can't remember the justification offhand.

Maybe if you'd referenced Chernobyl I would have picked it up sooner. Or THERAC, that's a classic.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by sebstefan »

tiahura wrote: post #60
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

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Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by Timshel »

taylodl wrote: post #133
btreecat wrote: post #82

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12s of your time is the cost of compromised morals? That seems p cheap and unfortunately indicative.

Compromised morals? WTF is the CEO of the Mozilla Foundation doing to earn $7M per year in salary? What about the Mozilla Foundation forcing out Brandon Eich because of a personal donation he made to a cause they didn't like? Morals my ass! I stopped using Firefox the day they kicked Brandon out and here's the kicker: I don't agree with the cause Brandon supported but I agree his employment shouldn't be affected by d…

Don't know, the pro LGBT stance of Mozilla/ Mozilla Foundation was not new in 2014 I believe.

So not having leadership with opposing view does not seem strange to me; donation was done privately but it end-up being public enough. There's enough hypocrisy and pink-washing ...

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by robin_reala »

nvm0n2 wrote: post #182
robin_reala wrote: post #114

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USDS aren’t idiots, and if they haven’t realised this yet then maybe this post will focus attention. They want to support every citizen it’s reasonable to support (or at least I did when I was working for GOV.UK) and dropping support from a lack of knowledge shouldn’t be on the agenda.

The 2% rule USDS use is taken directly from GDS (gov.uk), so that isn't what your old employer's policy is at all. They have to define reasonable, after all.

That part of the article was just wrong, to be fair (I used to be head of the front-end community at GDS and helped set things like browser support schedules). Our default approach was to add up all browser share (yes, based on GA, but this was a while ago) until we got to 99%, then removed the browsers that were left over. So typically we wouldn’t consider dropping a browser version until it was less than 0.4% usage. You can use a colleague’s client-side tool to test this approach: http://edds.github.io/browser-matrix/ (assuming it still works).

The browser support is currently listed at https://www.gov.uk/service-manual/technology/designing-for-d... . The mention of 2% is specific to IE11, so I guess this was special-cased at some point.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by mardifoufs »

Miraste wrote: post #140
robin_reala wrote: post #114

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USDS aren’t idiots, and if they haven’t realised this yet then maybe this post will focus attention. They want to support every citizen it’s reasonable to support (or at least I did when I was working for GOV.UK) and dropping support from a lack of knowledge shouldn’t be on the agenda.

GOV.UK is dramatically more competent than USDS, are they not? I admit I'm not terribly familiar, but I wouldn't want to depend on the agency behind the Department of Education and VA websites for anything. I've seen the VA site, in particular, do serious harm to the people it's meant to serve.

I don't think the USDS makes all or even most of the current federal gov websites.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by elashri »

BossingAround wrote: post #179
sp332 wrote: post #142

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Compared to typing a nonstandard string in a nonstandard place? Going to about:config where all the deep settings are and searching for "ocsp" is downright obvious.

Not really... I don't even remember `about:config`. I know of its existence, but is it `config`, `:config`, or `about`, or ...? So what I do is, I google, right? First page that comes up references how to fix the problem on both Firefox and Chromium-based browsers. So on Firefox, I have to type the config page, then search for ocsp, then disable it. Then, I can finally access the webpage, but of course, I should reme…

> On Chrome, I can fire up an incognito window, type a magic keyword, do what I need, close the incognito window and go back to default.

You can do the same on Firefox (at least developer edition). I thought that you want to do that without going to incognito mode.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by tehbeard »

dheera wrote: post #126
_dark_matter_ wrote: post #109

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Routinely??? I don't know of one staff level that gets paid that much

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/amazon/salaries/software-en... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/google/salaries/software-en... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/apple/salaries/software-eng...

Strange how none of those listed are Mozilla...

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/mozilla/salaries/software-e...

Looks arround the $170-200k level....

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by bcrl »

dheera wrote: post #131
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #122

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> Staff-level engineers are routinely paid upwards of 1M these days Yeah, at successful high performing trillion dolar tech companies like Nvidia or Apple, not broke*ss underperforming companies like Mozilla. >6M for a CEO doesn't sound unreasonable. It's unreasonable when you take into account Mozilla's lack of performance over the years. Where is their success, other than being kept on life support by being bankrol…

> Where is their success Huh what? I use Firefox and I'm actually very happy with it.

Performance of Firefox has steadily gotten worse lately. My bank's website has massive lag when scrolling (1 second to redraw? Great!), but it works perfectly fine in Chrome. Firefox also gets into a state where screen updates in Streeview are laggy after anywhere from a few hours to a couple of days, but I can't figure out a way to predictably reproduce it on demand. Meanwhile, Chrome is snappy all the time. I also have to manually enable one of the acceleration settings under Linux. The end result is that I'm forced to use Chrome more and more as the Firefox user experience just plain sucks in these scenarios.

Re: Firefox on the brink?

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Post by mattl »

dheera wrote: post #126
_dark_matter_ wrote: post #109

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Routinely??? I don't know of one staff level that gets paid that much

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/facebook/salaries/software-... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/amazon/salaries/software-en... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/google/salaries/software-en... https://www.levels.fyi/companies/apple/salaries/software-eng...

Distinguished engineers aren't really 'staff-level'

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Post by throitallaway »

tiahura wrote: post #60
loganmarchione wrote: post #36

Mozilla also just posted their State of Mozilla 2022 (this includes financial statements). From what I've read, it seems that expenses are up and revenue from search deals is down. https://stateof.mozilla.org/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38530382 https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/05/mozilla-earned-close-to-60... Firefox's market share has been on the decline since 2010. https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market…

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> Sarah Allen, Senior Director, MozFest > Juan Barani, Senior Director, Gift Planning

Not to pick on these two people, but it's interesting that they have senior directors for a conference and gift planning.

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