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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by acdha »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #126
acdha wrote: post #95

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You’re off by about 20 years - it was the 1920s when car manufacturers were able to get legislation restricting public streets to their customers[1] - but also this ignores the magnitude: yes, cars have always been a public health hazard but the manufacturers reversed a multi-decade safety improvement trend a decade or two back because it boosted their profits, and that happened only in the United States. If our road…

I don't think so. The first killed pedestrian was dead for 22 years before the roaring 1920s. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38466522

First, yes, but it’s not like people weren’t killed by horses or trolleys either. The death toll was never zero but it went up sharply when everyone was expected to drive much heavier vehicles at higher speeds.

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Post by red369 »

0xfae wrote: post #171
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #141

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Everyone gets bigger cars because bigger cars have more room inside so they're really comfortable and practical. Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol. This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion.

> batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol What are you getting on about? By what metric?

I assume they are referring to batteries having lower energy/power density, as opposed to the efficiency of the drivetrain

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by me_me_me »

constantly wrote: post #90
thinkingemote wrote: post #37

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We are still in the motor cars looking like horse drawn carriages without the horses phase. Electric cars don't need ICE engine layouts. It will take a few years until the designers realise they can have cars looking much different as they have more flexibility. I also have hope this truck on the roads will get manufacturers doing something different. Concept cars at car shows should be where we should look first.

Any ideas for how to redesign these? The thought is compelling. I’m thinking about it and even with EVs you’d still want four wheels, want to put the battery flat on the bottom for various reasons. So the base seems like it’s four wheels with a flat platform. Building space for 1-6 people on top thought and I seem to arrive at the same designs that already exist. Thoughts?

there were plenty of 'crazy idea' cars prototypes.

The reality is the current designs (tear shaped, front engine, forward facing seats with belts) are result of slow incremental perfections. Safety, fuel efficiency being two biggest drivers (pun intended!). The biggest external factor being the infrastructure (you might have the greatest idea for next personal transportation vehicle) but if it doesnt use roads its pretty much dead .

So people complaining have no idea what they really want. Like Ford said “If I would have asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses”.

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Post by antasvara »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #80
mike_d wrote: post #61

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It really has, cars have gotten progressively safer every year since 1975 for everyone involved. https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/child...

Are these charts simply displaying the gradual decline in children-under-13 walking and riding bicycles?

There's a line specifically for vehicle occupants.

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Post by adastra22 »

adamrezich wrote: post #136
mkii wrote: post #105

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In a nation of embarrassed millionaires, I'm not surprised.

this has nothing to do with it though. it's not that most normal people like him—it's just, most normal people don't spend any portion of their daily lives ruminating on how much they hate someone they've never met, who is much wealthier and more successful than themselves, to the point of repeatedly expressing said hate on the Internet... well, at least, since about 2020 or so.

Almost everyone I encounter dislikes Elon Musk. I'm not even talking about tech people, although I do live in Silicon Valley and that might bias things. My hair dresser, my wife's make-up artist friend and stay-at-home moms. My kids' teachers.

For better or worse, even random Joe Q. Public knows who the richest man in the world is, and has some opinion on him. Everything he does is scrutinized by the media and put into some political or moral framework. Just like Bill Gates in the '90's, he's inescapable.

But unlike Bill Gates and other prior holders of the richest-man title, Musk eschews any personal PR department and instead broadcasts to the world unfiltered takes. And by and large, people don't like what they see.

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Post by AYBABTME »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #141
owenpalmer wrote: post #113

This is what we call vehicle weight inflation. As cars get heavier and heavier, the roads get increasingly more dangerous for smaller cars, which causes everyone to get bigger cars. And the loop continues.

Everyone gets bigger cars because bigger cars have more room inside so they're really comfortable and practical. Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol. This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion.

They're not "inefficient", they're less power-dense in terms of mass. There's many types of efficiencies and where a car is involved, EVs are largely more efficient in those measures than ICE cars.

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Post by j0hnyl »

jehb wrote: post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

I think if anything demand is greater now.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by mongol »

adamrezich wrote: post #186
CamperBob2 wrote: post #170

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The risk is that he will go much farther than he already has. If he comes out as a full-fledged neo-Nazi, which I wouldn't bet against given how erratically he has behaved lately, the value of Teslas on the used market will plummet.

have you ever noticed how odd it is that the anti-Musk rhetoric is functionally identical to the anti-Trump rhetoric of 2016–2020, and also how no new Reichs were started 2016–2020, such that one can conclude that perhaps takes like this are possibly a hair hyperbolic in nature, and should maybe be reevaluted a bit before terms such as "neo-Nazi" completely lose any remaining weight they might have?

Did you miss January 6?

Re: Cybertruck Launch

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Post by ender341341 »

concordDance wrote: post #157
jehb wrote: post #89

I wonder how much the demand for this vehicle has changed since it was first announced. I was definitely on the bandwagon from this thing from the first time I saw it. Four years of Elon's dumb antics and I now absolutely will not spend a dime at any company he's associated with.

I continue to be puzzled by people's strong opinions on Elon. He's says dumb things on social media but there seem to be unusually strong sacred contagion effects from that. Buying petrol from Shell or cereal from Nestle? No problem. Buying a Model 3 from Tesla? No way! Honestly, I'd be surprised if there weren't a ton of people with the same views on immigration or trans issues or covid or whatever, each associated…

If you went out on the street and asked random people to name CEOs of nestle or shell I'd guess you'd have a super majority who don't know.

There's a reason most CEOs stay quiet, when you become the face of a company your actions reflect on the companies you represent, and when you spend billions of dollars to make sure that your antics are broadcast as far and wide as possible it's not surprising that your antics affect your companies.

There's a reason most spokespeople for companies have to sign some level of acceptable public behavior contract.

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