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The right-leaning side is taking hold very recently, is what he probably means.
I can't list a single right-leaning European country government.
The discussion was about immigration in particular.
Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home
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Dearborn is the most Arab-influenced place I've ever been by far. Nowhere in California is like that. Kinda funny considering the surroundings.
It definitely has a unique history, but Michiganders are proud to have it as a part of their state and love to visit for the food and culture! It’s mostly the west side of the state that has issues with bigotry (which unsurprisingly was settled by Dutch religious fanatics).
Yeah, it was fun to visit. Went to two Lebanese restaurants that were even better than my favorites near home in LA.
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I'm not OP, but the answer is obviously both. Multilingual helps brain develop in new ways, and better personal development helps all nations.
> Multilingual helps brain develop in new ways I've never seen conclusive evidence to this.
From an evolutionary perspective it makes no sense either. Multilingualism would happen sometimes, but it was only when your tribe was conquered by a neighbor. Other multi lingual scenarios are very recent. If there are any evolutionarily rooted features around this, it would be related to the former. Though, there could still be some coincidental benefit, it just seems as unlikely as any other totally coincidental benefit.
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#194Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home
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Both sets of my grandparents came to the US (New York) from Italy in the 1920's. They learned very broken English, and discouraged my young parents from speaking Italian. All four grandparents felt this way. My parents aren't sure of the reasons, they were just told not to speak Italian outside the house.
Your grandparents were trying to protect your parents from the racism they encountered as immigrants in the 1920s. It was vicious, inexcusable, and largely forgotten due to the success of Italian assimilation in the US. Jacobson’s “Whiteness of a Different Color” goes into this in detail.
/smacks forehead/
Of course! Thanks for the book recommendation.
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California went from around 85% white European to 35% in roughly a generation (from 1960s to today). Statewide, only 20% of California students are white so their numbers will continue to decline for the foreseeable future. The US is a melting pot culture and people accept these changes, but there’s no reason that European cultures need to replicate this in their own countries.
Lies, damn lies and then this. 85% counts Hispanic people as white. The 35% does not. Ain't no way this is an innocent mistake. Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.
>Hispanic people have always been a large portion of California.
Not true.
Whether Texas or California, the land that is now the American southwest was almost completely empty before the Mexican War; about 80,000 hispanos, or about 1% of Mexico's prewar population, mostly in New Mexico and southern Colorado. They were very, very isolated, living in "islands", and were already dependent on the US, not Mexico, for trade http://web.archive.org/web/20070517113110/http://www.pbs.org...>. The American takeover and attendant influx of settlers completely changed the region; by 1860 California alone had 380,000 people] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California#Pop...> and was a US state.
*85% of Mexican Americans today are from post-World War II immigration.* As late as 1970 http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/05/01/a-demographic-portrait...> there were five million people of Mexican ethnicity in the US, including one million born in Mexico. Now there are 33.7 million and 11.4 million, respectively. The number of people of Mexican ethnicity has grown by ~16X in 75 years (from ~2 million in 1940), while the US population has grown by ~2.5X. Had the Mexican-ethnic population grown by the same rate as the broader US there would be 5 million today, not 33.7.
History, even recent history, has been rewritten in peoples' minds by popular culture. Los Angeles's stupendous growth in the first half of the 20th century was driven almost entirely off of internal US migration. So many Iowans moved to LA that it was joked that southern California should be renamed "Caliowa". Almost everything we think of about the city, demographically speaking, is a post-1970 phenomenon.
According to Census estimates http://web.archive.org/web/20080912052919/https://www.census...>, the city of Los Angeles was 7.1% Hispanic (almost all Mexican, of course) in 1940, and 15-17% in 1970. In 1990—let me repeat, two decades later—it was 39.9%. The non-Hispanic white population went from 86.3% in 1940, to 61-63% in 1970, to 37.3% in 1990. As of 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles#Race_and_ethnicity> the city is 46.9% Hispanic and 28.9% non-Hispanic white.
"We didn't cross the border; the border crossed us" is only true for the aforementioned hispanos. If alien space bats had rotated the contiguous US 180 degrees in 1945, all other Mexican Americans would be living in Buffalo and Portland and Boston and Rochester and Detroit. Those cities would be known as the home of Cal-Mex and Tex-Mex cuisine, not LA and El Paso and Phoenix.
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#197Given that the US doest not have an official language, this rings a weird bell. Had the been England or any other country with an official language, it would have been something. In particular with the history of California and the proximity to Mexico, the opposite (that more than 50% speaks english) should be the story.
California was almost empty when it was annexed into the US. Disease etc. Immigration from the rest of the English-speaking US completely dwarfed what was left. Almost 100% of Spanish-speaking Californians have come in the past 50-70 years. Basically none have historical roots to California.
>California was almost empty when it was annexed into the US. Disease etc. Immigration from the rest of the English-speaking US completely dwarfed what was left.
>Almost 100% of Spanish-speaking Californians have come in the past 50-70 years. Basically none have historical roots to California.
Correct. I go into more detail on why this is the case elsewhere. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415835>
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Actually, it's the other way around. I don't think anyone has yet declared their motives to riot, but the perp has been identified as Algerian. It's also true that the rioters probably knew this.
> the perp has been identified as Algerian The BBC says otherwise: > It is understood that included false claims that the attacker was a foreign national. > Sources have indicated to the BBC that the man suspected of carrying out the attack is an Irish citizen in his late 40s who has lived in the country for 20 years. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-67514960
If he has lived in the country for 20 years, and he’s in his late 40s, what does that make him? Don’t strain yourself too hard.
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> the perp has been identified as Algerian The BBC says otherwise: > It is understood that included false claims that the attacker was a foreign national. > Sources have indicated to the BBC that the man suspected of carrying out the attack is an Irish citizen in his late 40s who has lived in the country for 20 years. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-67514960
So he is an Algerian immigrant
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#200Whenever I see Europeans railing about the destruction of their cultures by small number of immigrants, I want to point to California and be like “you’re doing it wrong.” Pretty much within one generation, everyone here is bilingual, fully integrated, we all enjoy each others company, culture and food etc.
Well. It also depends on who you're importing. I don't think anyone in Europe complains that their Filipinos aren't integrating.