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Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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> Nevertheless, Firefox said it will adopt Manifest V3 in the interest of cross-browser compatibility. The article makes it sound like Firefox will have the same ad blocker limitations as Chrome. The article fails to mention that Mozilla is implementing MV3 APIs in Firefox, but not removing the MV2 APIs like Chrome is: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/05/18/manifest-v3-in-fi...

Yeah, that is a really bad misrepresentation

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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post #181

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Welcome to Firefox. We have cookies!

And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!

Use a non-Mozilla Firefox fork, there's several.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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post #181

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Welcome to Firefox. We have cookies!

And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!

Errh... I don't see them on mine.

Maybe I removed them or something. If so, it was relatively easy.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

#194

Google is going to lose this war. We don't need Chrome.

*Technically inclined users don't need Chrome The average user is going to open Safari or Edge and go to Google or YouTube. They'll see the "this page runs better in Chrome" popup and install Chrome. The installer asks to make it your default browser, so they do. The idea that you can install an addon to the browser isn't even in their toolbox. They aren't aware of the anti-competitive nature of Google. To them, a br…

This is why Technically inclined users need to engage in advocacy for other users.

Bit by bit, maybe Google will get the message.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

#195
I fear this scenario in a few years:

1- non hacker users too starting to realize corporate friendly browsers like Chrome and many derivatives can't be used anymore for painless surfing, then flocking to Firefox.

2- corporations and advertising companies pushing for a new closed HTTP standard that requires their browser, or an old browser using a closed extension that doesn't allow adblockers when using a given service or page.

Open browsers work because they still connect to open web servers, and the industry already ruined the mobile environment by forcing users to run apps instead of navigating web pages (that is, installing a hundred application for a hundred services instead of just one that speaks a standard protocol); I have no doubt they'll attempt the same in the desktop world too. We have to fight to keep protocols open.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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post #117

> But Google has decided that block and allow are not that easily abused so it will allow up to 30,000 rules to be added dynamically. Can someone give an example of what a good number would be? How many dynamic rules are currently used? > Also, extension developers are limited in what regular expressions they can use, along with other technical limitations. Does this meaningfully impact rules? Just curious. > Accordi…

> Can someone give an example of what a good number would be? How many dynamic rules are currently used? uBlock's built in list has 47,000 EasyList has 75,000 EasyPrivacy has 31,000 Fanboy's List is 78,000 Basically none of the major lists fit inside this quantity.

Coming to an extension store near you: AdBlockr (Part One) and AdBlockr (Part Two)! We've heard your feedback and have split our extension into two, more narrowly focused blockers. Only block what you need, without the bloat of a monolithic blocker! Or use both extensions for complete security with up to 60,000 rules!

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

#197

in wake of the EU ruling that youtube isn't allowed to block adblockers, i can understand this move. imo the eu needs to stay out of this. its a competition between people trying to block ads and trying to force you to see them, which i see nothing wrong with.

> EU ruling that youtube isn't allowed to block adblockers When did that happen? Link?

i'm looking now, based on what i've seen the past couple days, and i guess there hasn't been an official ruling so i must been duped

but there is a discussion going on about this, a few news articles and one hn post. basically they want to determine whether its ok for youtube to check your computer's memory to see if you're somehow blocking their ads.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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post #86

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Firefox works very well on iPhone, by the way. It’s my daily browser there.

It's a reskinned safari if you are not aware. The hope is once Apple allowed sideloading, we can start to use the actual firefox with extensions.

Well I did not know that. Perhaps that's why it works so seamlessly. Well one of the upsides then is that switching to Firefox in IOS is very painless then.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to Firefox. We have cookies!

And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!

Why not change your homepage to something you prefer? And don’t create or sign into a Mozilla account; host your own sync server instead https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34674569

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

#200

Can anyone explain why there isn't a robust and thriving adblocking solution available at the router or OS level? Why are we all forced to grasp at the straws of the browser?

Because you would need to Man-in-the-middle HTTPS.
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