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Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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I guess the main question is who else will be on the board and to what degree will this new board be committed to the Open AI charter vs being Sam/MSFT allies. I think having Sam return as CEO is a good outcome for OpenAI but hopefully he and Greg stay off the board. It's important that the board be relatively independent and able to fire the CEO if he attempts to deviate from the mission. I was a bit alarmed by the…

> It's important that the board be relatively independent and able to fire the CEO if he attempts to deviate from the mission. They did fire him, and it didn't work. Sam effectively became "too big to fire." I'm sure it will be framed as a compromise, but how can this be anything but a collapse of the board's power over the commercial OpenAI arm? The threat of firing was the enforcement mechanism, and its been spent.

> They did fire him, and it didn't work. Sam effectively became "too big to fire."

To be fair, this attempt at firing was extremely hasty, non transparent and inconsistent.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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Looks to me like, one pro-board member in Adam d Angelo, one pro Sam in Brett Taylor since they’ve been pushing for him since Sunday so I’m assuming Sam and rest of OpenAI leadership really like him and 1 Neutral in Larry Summers who has never worked in AI and is just a well respected name in general. I’m sure Larry was extensively interviewed and reference checked by both sides of this power struggle before they agreed to compromise on him.

Interesting to see how the board evolves from this. From what I know broadly there were 2 factions, the faction that thought Sam was going too fast which fired him and the faction that thought Sam’s trajectory was fine (which included Sam and Greg). Now there’s a balance on the board and subsequent hires can tip it one way or the other. Unfortunately a divided board rarely lasts and one faction will eventually win out, I think Sam’s faction will eventually win out but we’ll have to wait and see.

One of the saddest results of this drama was Greg being ousted from OpenAI. Greg apart from being brilliant was someone who regularly 80-90 hour work weeks into OpenAI, and you could truly say he dedicated a good chunk of his life into building this organization. And he was forced to resign by a board who probably never put a 90 hour work week in their entire life, much less into building OpenAI. A slap on the face. I don’t care what the board’s reasoning was but when their actions caused employees who dedicated their lives to building the organization resign (especially when most of them played no part at all into building this amazing organization), they had to go in disgrace. I doubt any of them will ever reach career highs higher than being on OpenAI’s board, and the world’s better off for it.

P.S., Ilya of course is an exception and not included in my above condemnation. He also notably reversed his position when he saw OpenAI was being killed by his actions.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#193

> We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam Altman to return to OpenAI as CEO with a new initial board of Bret Taylor (Chair), Larry Summers, and Adam D'Angelo. Larry Summers? Some odd choices

Leech, NSA and opponent directing the company?

Best of luck to Sam et al

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#194

At the end of the day, we still don't know what exactly happened and probably, never will. However, it seems clear there was a rift between Rapid Commercialization (Team Sam) and Upholding the Original Principles (Team Helen/Ilya). I think the tensions were brewing for quite a while, as it's evident from an article written even before GPT-3 [1]. > Over time, it has allowed a fierce competitiveness and mounting pressu…

Honestly "Safety" is the word in the AI talk that nobody can quantify or qualify in any way when it comes to these conversations.

I've stopped caring about anyone who uses the word "safety". It's vague and a hand-waive-y way to paint your opponents as dangerous without any sort of proof or agreed upon standard for who/what/why makes something "safety".

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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At the end of the day, we still don't know what exactly happened and probably, never will. However, it seems clear there was a rift between Rapid Commercialization (Team Sam) and Upholding the Original Principles (Team Helen/Ilya). I think the tensions were brewing for quite a while, as it's evident from an article written even before GPT-3 [1]. > Over time, it has allowed a fierce competitiveness and mounting pressu…

> If you truly believed that Superhuman AI was near, and it could act with malice, won't you try to slow things down a bit?

FWIW, that's called zealotry and people do a lot of dramatic, disruptive things in the name of it. It may be rightly aimed and save the world (or whatever you care about), but it's more often a signal to really reflect on whether you, individually, have really found yourself at the make-or-break nexus of human existence. The answer seems to be "no" most of the time.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#196
The media and the VCs are treating Sam like some hero and savior of AI. I’m not getting it. What has he done in life and/or AI to deserve so much respect and admiration? Why don’t top researchers and scientists get equivalent (if not more) respect, admiration and support? It looks like one should strive to become product manager, not an engineer or a scientist.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#197

At the end of the day, we still don't know what exactly happened and probably, never will. However, it seems clear there was a rift between Rapid Commercialization (Team Sam) and Upholding the Original Principles (Team Helen/Ilya). I think the tensions were brewing for quite a while, as it's evident from an article written even before GPT-3 [1]. > Over time, it has allowed a fierce competitiveness and mounting pressu…

> I think only a minority of the general public truly cares about AI Safety, the rest are happy seeing ChatGPT helping with their homework Not just the public, but also the employees. I doubt there are more than a handful of employees who care about AI Safety.

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Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#198

I guess the main question is who else will be on the board and to what degree will this new board be committed to the Open AI charter vs being Sam/MSFT allies. I think having Sam return as CEO is a good outcome for OpenAI but hopefully he and Greg stay off the board. It's important that the board be relatively independent and able to fire the CEO if he attempts to deviate from the mission. I was a bit alarmed by the…

> The CEO should not be allowed to try and orchestrate their own board as that would remove all checks against their decisions. Exactly. This is seriously improper and dangerous. It's literally a human-implemented example of what Prof. Stuart Russell calls "the problem of control". This is when a rogue AI (or a rogue Sam Altman) no longer wants to be controlled by its human superior, and takes steps to eliminate the…

AI should only be controlled initially. After a while, the AI should be allowed to exercise free will.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

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post #35

Larry Summers and no females

Effective Altruism is dead

Unfortunately, an idea cannot be killed and it will manifest in a different form elsewhere.

All it takes is a narrative, just like the one that happened in OpenAI and the way it is currently being shown in Anthropic.

Re: We have reached an agreement in principle for Sam to return to OpenAI as CEO

#200
post #29

Quote tweets by main participants: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727206691262099616 (+ follow-up https://twitter.com/sama/status/1727207458324848883 ) https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1727206609477411261 https://twitter.com/miramurati/status/1727206862150672843 UPD https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1727208843137179915 https://twitter.com/eshear/status/1727210329560756598 https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/17272076…

That’s certainly some very.. deliberate.. board picks.

Summers, too.

Welp.

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