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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by averageRoyalty »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #88
TechRemarker wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah definetly would not expect it to be blue as 9 to 5 noted how Apple mentioned it won't be as secure as iMessage and iMessage will be separate. So presumably people texting will still want to know if they see blue they get full privacy where is if they see green or a new color it means yes they get lots of new features like iMessage, but not as secure as iMessage. But the green bubble (or whatever new color) will…

"Privacy" is not the reason a lot of people comment on green text bubbles. It's status. That's it. If they truly cared about sec, they would use something like Signal.

Both Signal and iMessage are E2EE, SMS is not.

Why do you feel Signal is better security wise?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by hocuspocus »

no_wizard wrote: post #28

This is something I never thought I'd see. I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. That would go a long way in making a huge improvement over SMS/MMS. This is a win for RCS, ultimately. Maybe this will kick carriers into high gear to up their messaging standard support game and have standard interop. I don't think this will lead to a declin…

> I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers.

This is pretty moot now. Google has effectively turned RCS into a proprietary protocol, they fully control the only relevant server implementation, carriers that want to interconnect have no choice but to deploy Jibe or use Jibe as a service.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by danielbln »

kccqzy wrote: post #183
zitterbewegung wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can’t they support RCS but still have iPhone users blue ?

Yup. That's exactly what I predict Apple will do. RCS messaging will still have green bubbles. And it will continue to have the same psychological effect as SMS green bubbles do today. I think that's also why GP said there won't be a decline in iMessage usage.

So weird reading this from the transatlantic sidelines, where noone cares one little bit what device a message was sent from.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by Anechoic »

bloppe wrote: post #146
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't buy this. Customers needed no convincing from Apple. Even where iOS isn't dominant they saw their dropped and expensive SMS/RCS messages and picked up whatsapp.

I'm mostly just talking about the noxious white-on-green color they chose for cross-platform chat bubbles. It's a great example of hostile architecture. RCS fixes the cost / reliability problems of SMS, so that annoying color choice will be the only thing they have left to make imessage users feel superior.

> RCS fixes the cost / reliability problems of SMS,

It doesn’t fix the end to end encryption problem unless google opens up their system.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by Invictus0 »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #81
jmull wrote: post #56

> the green bubble shame set to end I'm betting the non-Apple bubbles will remain green... and remain a bit stigmatized. It was never about the resolution of pictures and even technical limitations around group chat was just part of it. It's a social thing and the technical protocol is incidental. Dr. Seuss probably explained it best in The Sneetches.

I love when people comment on the color of a text message. It makes it real easy to know who to block, because they worry about entirely the wrong things.

There's no one to block, you just won't be included when the groupchat is setup. Big problem for teens.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by westmeal »

crazygringo wrote: post #60

What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...

I thought this bubble color thing was a joke but is it seriously something women look at? Why?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by jmull »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #81
jmull wrote: post #56

> the green bubble shame set to end I'm betting the non-Apple bubbles will remain green... and remain a bit stigmatized. It was never about the resolution of pictures and even technical limitations around group chat was just part of it. It's a social thing and the technical protocol is incidental. Dr. Seuss probably explained it best in The Sneetches.

I love when people comment on the color of a text message. It makes it real easy to know who to block, because they worry about entirely the wrong things.

If you socially exclude someone because they care about the color of text message bubbles, don't you care at least as much as they do?

More, probably, because if they just mention it and you block them, that's disproportionate.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by gumby »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #154
no_wizard wrote: post #28

This is something I never thought I'd see. I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. That would go a long way in making a huge improvement over SMS/MMS. This is a win for RCS, ultimately. Maybe this will kick carriers into high gear to up their messaging standard support game and have standard interop. I don't think this will lead to a declin…

Can’t they support RCS but still have iPhone users blue ?

Yeah, I assume SMS, RCS and iMessage messages will have different colors, like green, red, and blue.

RCS is such carrier-dependent crap.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

no_wizard wrote: post #100
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple only has dominant marketshare in the US. Everywhere else in the world people use Whatsapp. Why didn't they all hop on the RCS train? Because it sucks to implement and is a black box to use. Google was stuck with SMS because of their inability to implement a cohesive messaging app, despite owning and distributing an operating system. So what did they do? Pitched sob stories and got the europeans to threaten to r…

I think iMessage doesn't have the most dominant marketshare outside the US (and possibly Canada) iOS /iPadOS (and by extension, iPhone and iPad) however, has slim-to-major majorities in most lucrative markets[0] and even in markets where iOS is not a majority, its well known in the mobile industry that iOS / iPadOS customers are far more lucrative [0]: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ios-vs-android-market-share-1...

This more money on apple thing is a selection effect caused by Apple phones being more expensive, such that the distribution of revenue is truncated.
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