EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

Post by mrmanner » Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 2:12 PM UTC

squarefoot wrote: post #162

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You're throwing the baby with the water here. Lobbying I'd argue is an essential part of democracy because it allows groups of people that have a shared concern to come together and make their case to the politicians.

> ... groups of people that have a shared concern to come together and make their case to the politicians. That would be solved by referenda, with their results and number of people affected being presented to the politicians so that they must deal with the problem. Lobbying as it is now in many countries (possibly all of them) has nothing to do with that and to me is just legalized corruption.

Post by mici » Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 2:19 PM UTC

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Contrary to what this heading suggests, nothing has been "decided" here. This article is not only inaccurate, it is falsely misleading. The Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs (LIBE) adopted a "draft Parliament position" [0] and that's that. This still needs to go through so-called "tri(a?)logue negotiations", held between the EU parliament, commission and council. [1] Still a tad early for calling…

> Contrary to what this heading suggests, nothing has been "decided" here. This article is not only inaccurate, it is falsely misleading. The heading indicates a committee adopted a position, and that's true.

Post by rollcat » Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 2:40 PM UTC

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They used to literally walk around the House floor handing out donor checks. From https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/02/14/h... : > “…it was publicly disclosed that Boehner in the last week of June 1995 walked around the House floor delivering six or more of the Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp. PAC checks. > “in the same week Boehner was giving out the checks on the House floor, the House Appropriat…

1. You realize this thread is about EU? 2. 500, even in 1995, is a token amount of money to the representatives. I highly doubt they changed their vote for that little money.

Post by Obscurity4340 » Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 3:28 PM UTC

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Tripartite might also work

Ah, yes: negotiations between the EU Father, the EU Son, and the EU Holy Spirit.

Post by robertlagrant » Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 3:30 PM UTC

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> Companies don't have the right to vote and should not be able to do an end-run around the electoral process with their money. There's no difference between companies and people here; no one, spending their company's money or their own, should be able to influence solely through money. They only can because of corrupt state employees, who should be replaced.

> There's no difference between companies and people here; no one, spending their company's money or their own, should be able to influence solely through money. There is because individuals are not normally the clients of lobbyists, nor do they - normally - approach politicians directly with money in hand except for some countries where campaign donations are a thing. They shouldn't be because they are effectively c…