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Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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I was nodding along until I read that they deflate XC90s. To me, that is a completely reasonable car if you have 3 children. I know people who buy Range Rovers just to drive to work, but not XC90s.

The Renault 5 was enough in the 80s for a family of 4. The XC90 is one of the biggest car I’ve ever seen. Why are small cars no longer acceptable?

My current situation and not based on the previous generation :) I know it's a genuine question, but it does strike me as odd we expect the current generation to be satisfied with the preferences of the previous.

Booster seat laws alone necessitate larger vehicles.

I have two kids and regularly pack our Honda CRV beyond the point that is possible with our Civic. The stroller alone is big, way bigger than the umbrella one from when I was a kid. The Civic seats with my two large booster seats which I'm legally required to use until the kids are like 8-10, can only fit 4 people despite two people being very small, and the CRV allows my to put my seat the way I like in most situations rather than having less leg room (6'3").

The civic gets about 10% better economy than the CRV and I don't think I'd

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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More uncomfortable? Why do you think people buy them?

What SUV is more comfortable than its wagon or saloon equivalent? I’d definitely rather be sat in a 5 series than an X5.

My comfort is largely a function of how high I sit. Iirc suvs just have deeper bigger foot wells, and are easier to get in and out of without squatting.

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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They exist for a reason. Some people have more to haul than just groceries.

> They exist for a reason. Some people have more to haul than just groceries. What in daily life is different in the last ~20 years (when SUVs have grown popular), compared to the ~20 years before that (when minivans were a thing), compared to the ~20 years before that (when station wagons were a thing)? Further, how often is the 'extra' hauling occurring? Why do you need to drive such a thing daily when the haulage…

>when station wagons were a thing

Just some interesting context, the original SUVs were station wagons. The big Suburbans/Wagoneers/Broncos/Blazers of the 70s and 80s were classified as station wagons. In addition, many of the station wagons back in the day got horrible gas mileage (many had the same engine size as their SUV counterparts).

Beyond that, the idea that people would be choose to have multiple cars for different aspects is a bit out of touch. The majority of Americans can't spring for a $1k emergency repair, let alone have another car payment just for a grocery getter. Most people need one car that can do most everything they need. Even if they could afford more than one car, your premise doesn't make sense. How many miles would have to be driven for a $20k used car purchase to have a positive economics based on its fuel savings?

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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Obligatory plug for cycling and cycling infrastructure. Getting people out of cars - all cars - is a necessity for preventing catastrophic climate change.

I simply can’t see cycling as the answer. Public transport, 100% yes. But when people suggesting cycling I feel like they’re asking for their hobby to be taxpayer subsidized. How does it work for those who aren’t fully bodily abled? When it snows and rains? Traveling non-trivial distances? Hills?

> How does it work for those who aren’t fully bodily abled?

How does driving work for the many disabled people who can't drive?

With cycling infra, their options are much, much better: mobility scooters, tricycles, ebikes, micro cars, all riding on cycle paths. Add public transport and the fact cars still remain an option and it's objectively better.

https://youtu.be/xSGx3HSjKDo?t=42

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