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Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by jasonjayr »

admax88qqq wrote: post #180
jasonjayr wrote: post #143

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You can run DOS 6.22 on an emulator. On modern hardware. (Even the latest Mac + their custom processor.) It doesn't have to be the boot Operating System. But it still runs, and can be used usefully if I've built something on top of it. The point is, 'the cloud' for services + software tied to physical hardware is proving over and over to be a dead end, and effectively a mechanism to create ewaste. Google could publis…

> But it still runs, and can be used usefully if I've built something on top of it. That's because somebody else put in the effort to emulate the pieces requires for DOS. The vendor you bought DOS from is not building your VM software so that you can continue to use DOS.

Yes? So?

The stack from boot-to-emulator can be 100% owned + managed by an organization or individual (and in fact, can be 100% OSS, except for whatever binary blobs are needed). Doesn't have to be crafted from bespoke bytes + bits to count. The important piece is that once this is running, there no one else that can prevent it from operating, except the organization or individual managing it (and perhaps dubious legal powers). Replacement hardware can be obtained. Backups can be made. Redundant power can be managed. The software can be re-installed. And if the unaffiliated OSS developers no longer want to maintain the software, the organization or individual can independently decide, if it is worth it to update the OSS themselves if no hardware or environment can run that.

We don't have to get rid of old working hardware. We should prioritize not being wasteful. And we should prioritize empowering hardware owners to decide for themselves how to maintain & manage their hardware, even if they want to go it alone.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by WalterBright »

justapassenger wrote: post #120
nerdjon wrote: post #108

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It doesn't really matter how many people were affected, the point is that people made an investment (and not a small one) and its being shut down. And it isn't like this is the first hardware that Google has abandoned, but they turn it into ewaste since it's tied to the cloud.

It’s being shutdown after 8 years. That’s not a bad lifespan. Most electronics are obsolete but that age and replaced with new ones. Especially at businesses - it’s already amortized by then and reached end of life. Google sucks, but I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.

I run a lot of hardware older than 8 years.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by dvngnt_ »

endisneigh wrote: post #151
maxsilver wrote: post #150

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Microsoft Windows still exists, and can open executable compiled for it 25+ years ago. Microsoft Office still exists, and can still open Word / Excel / etc files from 25+ years ago. Adobe Photoshop still exists, and can open PSD files created 25+ years ago. Microsoft Xbox One X still exists, and is backwards compatible with titles from the OG Xbox release, as far back as 22 years ago - https://www.xbox.com/en-us/game…

None of these are managed solutions tied to hardware, so the comparisons are irrelevant. What hardware that [inherently] requires a managed service still exists after 10 years? Jamboard inherently required the cloud for "jams". Google will allow for migration to other services that do the same thing and will compensate for the hardware. Zune is dead as well as the store and your other comparisons are disingenuous at…

warframe, wow. and xbox probably meets your definition of a managed solution. Especially a mmo

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by hotnfresh »

leoedin wrote: post #152
justapassenger wrote: post #120

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It’s being shutdown after 8 years. That’s not a bad lifespan. Most electronics are obsolete but that age and replaced with new ones. Especially at businesses - it’s already amortized by then and reached end of life. Google sucks, but I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.

The lifetime of "appliance" type electronics has always been much longer than that. In my first job, in 2012, I was using electronic test equipment running Windows 95. Anything industrial has a lifetime of 10+ years. Most electronics doesn't need to be cutting edge - and non-cutting-edge electronics hasn't really changed much in the last 15-20 years anyway. If we want this type of technology to actually be useful, it…

Internet dependence is the difference. Even consumer electronics that don’t rely on Internet services often last a couple decades, and sometimes more.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by callalex »

briffle wrote: post #135
justapassenger wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s being shutdown after 8 years. That’s not a bad lifespan. Most electronics are obsolete but that age and replaced with new ones. Especially at businesses - it’s already amortized by then and reached end of life. Google sucks, but I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.

I wonder if the OP is going to complain about all our skype based conferencing hardware that has become obsolete over the last few years? https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34763/which-skype-enabled...

How recently was one of these phones sold?

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by endisneigh »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #193
endisneigh wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of these are managed solutions tied to hardware, so the comparisons are irrelevant. What hardware that [inherently] requires a managed service still exists after 10 years? Jamboard inherently required the cloud for "jams". Google will allow for migration to other services that do the same thing and will compensate for the hardware. Zune is dead as well as the store and your other comparisons are disingenuous at…

warframe, wow. and xbox probably meets your definition of a managed solution. Especially a mmo

wow is hardware? xbox 1 doesnt work with live anymore

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by hotnfresh »

speed_spread wrote: post #187
JonChesterfield wrote: post #145

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A lot of us are in trouble when they kill android.

Android is open-source, we could fall back to one of the alternate distros. Actually, we'd be better off without the Google services crap! The real reason we'd be fucked is that we'd lose mobile access to our Google-stored info, this is where the lock-in is. You can migrate, but it's _work_ and god are we lazy.

I’d expect vendor divergence and lock-in to ramp up almost immediately. It only doesn’t happen now because Google does so much work for them for free, that it’s not worth the cost. If they have to pick that up, they’ll get all shitty and proprietary about it ASAP.

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by yardie »

samtho wrote: post #149
solarkraft wrote: post #136

It's crazy to me that people keep willingly buying hardware that requires a service to work. You have a high up-front cost, yet you're at someone else's mercy. That's the worst of buying and renting combined. Obviously it isn't very profitable to keep supporting a product you've already sold at the moment, so something must be done to make it more attractive. At the very least there should be a support commitment whi…

I work in IoT and my single goal working in the industry is to do as much as I can (which will likely still be small) to make devices that are entirely separable from the cloud by enabling the use of different services and by being local-fist. Imagine if private organizations built their own road network and then sold you a car that can only be driven on that road. Once that company goes out of business, the road van…

I'm working on a IoT startup and we'd prefer to rent you the equipment as part of the service. That way there is no confusion. Having customers buy equipment they really don't own seems ridiculous to me.

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Post by ulfw »

justapassenger wrote: post #120
nerdjon wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't really matter how many people were affected, the point is that people made an investment (and not a small one) and its being shut down. And it isn't like this is the first hardware that Google has abandoned, but they turn it into ewaste since it's tied to the cloud.

It’s being shutdown after 8 years. That’s not a bad lifespan. Most electronics are obsolete but that age and replaced with new ones. Especially at businesses - it’s already amortized by then and reached end of life. Google sucks, but I think you’re blowing this out of proportion.

You're assuming everyone bought it 8 years ago. What about the schools, companies etc that bought it a year or two ago? Still 'not a bad lifespan'?

Re: Google Ending Support for Jamboard

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Post by eddythompson80 »

jjkaczor wrote: post #139
Foobar8568 wrote: post #133

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Microsoft has (had?) a similar product back in 2014, so surely before, my client used them in all their meeting rooms and senior managers offices.

They still do, it's called the "Surface Hub" line, currently at "Surface Hub 2" - integrates with Teams and other apps. However - recent changes in "management" and direction with Surface hardware products/division may impact this in the near future.

Apparently they just announced Surface Hub 3
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