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I built Excel for Uber and they ditched it

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Re: I built Excel for Uber and they ditched it

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Best quote: "People working for Didi apply for intern jobs at Uber China and then exfiltrate our data. We can’t let them see the formulas or they’ll just copy what we do!” This is so true. People in the US just don't understand the level of economic and industrial espionage that happens in China on a daily basis. I was responding to an unrelated breach at an unnamed tech company back in mid-2000s time frame and had a…

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Re: I built Excel for Uber and they ditched it

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Best quote: "People working for Didi apply for intern jobs at Uber China and then exfiltrate our data. We can’t let them see the formulas or they’ll just copy what we do!” This is so true. People in the US just don't understand the level of economic and industrial espionage that happens in China on a daily basis. I was responding to an unrelated breach at an unnamed tech company back in mid-2000s time frame and had a…

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Sup PLA. The Chinese people are intelligent and strong. Why don’t you let them express that strength freely?

Re: I built Excel for Uber and they ditched it

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I mean, I asked at the time, and I did it. If either company wants to start a legal fight over a pile of code that neither of them wanted that's old enough to be in elementary school, they know how to reach me.

The problem is that you are claiming ownership of this code and by making it available on GitHub under an MIT license you are claiming that you have the right to do so. If I take that code and make a billion dollar business out of it, Box or Uber could then claim a share of it. That's the kind of things that companies do with the lawyers on retainer. I then sue you for falsely claiming that you own it. You are partic…

Long time ago my employer at the time had this in-house deployment system written by a guy that worked there. It worked well and we used it well after he had moved on. He left suddenly and started a company based on the idea. Employer went to sue him and discovered the ‘all your code belongs to us’ form was missing from his permanent file so they didn’t pursue it. That company is called Chef.

Re: I built Excel for Uber and they ditched it

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Best quote: "People working for Didi apply for intern jobs at Uber China and then exfiltrate our data. We can’t let them see the formulas or they’ll just copy what we do!” This is so true. People in the US just don't understand the level of economic and industrial espionage that happens in China on a daily basis. I was responding to an unrelated breach at an unnamed tech company back in mid-2000s time frame and had a…

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I didn’t say china can’t innovate… I said that the Chinese government actively encourages and finances at a large scale industrial and economic espionage activity.

See for example the China National Intelligence Law’s Articles 7 and 10: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of...

Re: I built Excel for Uber and they ditched it

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Best quote: "People working for Didi apply for intern jobs at Uber China and then exfiltrate our data. We can’t let them see the formulas or they’ll just copy what we do!” This is so true. People in the US just don't understand the level of economic and industrial espionage that happens in China on a daily basis. I was responding to an unrelated breach at an unnamed tech company back in mid-2000s time frame and had a…

They don't understand it, because what you're quoting as a behavior is pretty standard anywhere in the world. That's why companies protect their secrets from low rank employees. Except if you're arguing that western companies are bound by stronger ethics, in which case I'd like to see some evidence.

> western companies are bound by stronger ethics

I wouldn't say people in the west are "better people in their hearts" but they absolutely follow more strict norms regarding honesty and theft. This is one of the main reasons why companies pay a premium for workers in the west when they could hire from other places.

One example: accounting scandals in the US are rare. I don't think anyone trusts accounting figures for public companies from India or china.

> in which case I'd like to see some evidence.

The alternative to trust is enforcement. The evidence you are looking for is the prevalence of the latter principle in systems that deal with things of value.

Re: I built Excel for Uber and they ditched it

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... Nothing came of it, but I took the code and shoved it into my back pocket for a rainy day ... You can't really do this. Depends on your employment contract but code you write for an employer is usually copyright to them ... My first reaction was to publish the code on Github ... You can't really do that either.

I was also absolutely gob smacked at this. Will they care? Probably not. Are you putting yourself at the absolute mercy of them deciding not to care? Absolutely. I would have a hard time sleeping... like this would be like being in IT and knowing the backups were bullshit.

The real liability is sharing publicly that you did this. But hey, people have done far worse for attention and fake internet points, right?

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Sup PLA. The Chinese people are intelligent and strong. Why don’t you let them express that strength freely?

PLA. What? I don’t even know what that stands for. I assume it’s the Chinese army right?

Any post that is isn’t anti China here is now labeled as paid for by the Chinese government right?

It shows how much anti-China propaganda has gotten since Trump came into power and how much the US has turned nationalist.

People here have drank so much anti China propaganda that any neutral to positive post about China is immediately condemned.

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I didn’t say china can’t innovate… I said that the Chinese government actively encourages and finances at a large scale industrial and economic espionage activity. See for example the China National Intelligence Law’s Articles 7 and 10: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of...

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