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Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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And aside from the jitters, what harm does caffeine cause? Does it cause break downs in families and car fatalities like alcohol? Does it trigger latent schizophrenia in susceptible individuals like canabis? Does it create zombies like whatever it is they're consuming in San Fran?

Caffeine does cause insomnia which in turn causes other mental healh problems. I have one cup of coffee in the morning but there was a time when I was having 4-5 cups and it was affecting my healh negatively.

So does artificial light, probably more drastically than an afternoon caffeine.

But is there a well established causal chain of coffee drinkers hurting others from their coffee induced insomnia mental breakdown?

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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prohibition of cannabis has perpetuated greater harms than those it would attempt to mitigate.

Just today, I read some GOP members of the house want to deploy troops to Mexico as part of the war on drugs (with permission from the current Mexican government, but still a shooting war with the [other] cartels).

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Just because alcohol is bad for you, doesn't mean weed is good for you.

Yes, but how bad are those two compared to each other?

I think we need to measure the negative effects of alcohol and weed at both the personal and society level.

I have my thoughts. Feel free to read through my recent post history.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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I have. I worked inpatient psychiatry for ~6 years. All substances you consume have non-zero risk associated with them. Including seemingly benign things like milk. It's the job of every person to understand their body and to do a risk/reward analysis on anything you consume. For many, the benefits of THC/CBD/cannaboids outweigh the risks. > I would never engage in any activity that increases the likelihood of a perm…

Can you explain about the milk? Is it just the sugar content or something else? I'm genuinely interested, I've never heard about that before.

Completely aside from the bizarre habit of adults drinking lactate from a different species - the milk industry is scary (at best).

Cows are hooked up to metal frames with tubes going in and out of all the holes, being pumped full of hormones to keep them lactating.

These tubes, of course, cause infection so they are also pumped full of antibiotics.

The produced milk contains infectious pus. The FDA has (weak) standards on how much pus is permitted in consumer milk. Hint: it's not zero [1].

Milk also has a ton of other allergens. I personally developed an allergy to milk protein that causes rashes and blisters.

My wife, son and step daughter all have the same allergy.

And milk is probably one of the more benign of the terrible things the food industry sells us.

[1] https://genv.org/pus-in-milk

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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There is some discussion around cannabis bans and their causes in their thread. One aspect that isn’t discussed much but could be very relevant to differing opinions here is that different people respond incredibly differently to marijuana. Some people experience various, mostly mild, forms of cognitive impairment such as sleepiness, thinking everything is funny, and memory issues. Other people seem to enter a state…

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Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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If we have a weed epidemic then we certainly have an alcohol epidemic too, as well as an obesity epidemic, as well as a traffic accident epidemic, and so on. Making everything that can be harmful to some subset of the population illegal is not the way to deal with these issues. It's reductio ad absurdum into a totalitarian nanny state that literally controls your diet and makes you drive 25 mph on the highway. It's n…

There are a few issues with what you're saying. 1. Weed has a mostly benign image right now. It has good PR. 2. It's much harder to realize that you're addicted to weed - unlike alcohol. Alcohol addiction is obvious to people around you as well. Not weed. Many weed addicts do not have the self awareness. 3. Weed can be significantly cheaper than alcohol per session - thus consuming more is economical for many. A few…

None of those are issues with what I'm saying.

Many millions of people are able to use cannabis moderately and responsibly. If for whatever reason you can't, that's up to you to deal with--there are many resources available that can help. Taking it away from everyone because you have a problem is not a reasonable solution.

Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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It's easier to get addicted to weed than alcohol in my opinion. Alcohol addiction is very noticeable. People around you also notice. Alcohol will destroy both your mind and body. You're much more likely to be aware that you're addicted to alcohol than weed. Weed addiction is slower. It starts out as only beneficial - until it isn't. Weed will only affect your mind. Unlike alcohol, it won't directly do physical harm t…

You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. What's so bad about being lazy? What's wrong with eating certain kinds of food? What are your thoughts on coffee/caffeine addiction?

When I quit smoking weed, I reflected on the reasons why I decided to quit.

Since HN is mostly pro-weed use, I will most likely get downvoted. But it doesn't matter. I was staunchly on the pro-weed side just a few weeks ago as well until I started reading the downsides and realized that most applied to me and I was an addict. I was a "responsible" user early on as well.

Perhaps this post will help someone else here realize the same.

Here they are:

1. Having a higher IQ

2. Actually getting REM sleep and feeling rested

3. Being able to remember stuff instead of forgetting everything. Even simple things like where I left the keys.

4. Not eating junk food and getting fat

5. Not looking extremely unattractive because I'm fat

6. Actually care about how I look

7. Being able to spend time with people who don't smoke weed. I lost touch with so many successful people because I only wanted to hang out with other stoners.

8. Having motivation and ambition again

9. Not revolving my life around getting high

10. Being a responsible son, friend, boyfriend, employee

11. Being able to work towards the life I actually want

12. Having better lung health

13. Not making my brain smaller

14. Saving money

15. Having dreams again. Both dreams when I'm asleep and dreams when I'm awake.

16. Not dealing with shady dealers (still illegal where I'm)

17. Not trying to convince sober friends to smoke with me and then having them politely decline my invitation

18. Not feeling like life is passing by while I'm high

19. Not having to hide the fact that I smoke weed from my parents, siblings

20. Not spending a huge amount of time on video games, pointless Youtube videos, and doom scrolling while I'm high

21. Not being antisocial

22. Not staying home by myself from 6pm - 2am getting high every evening

23. Not having to put "420 friendly" in my dating profile

24. Not putting off responsibilities

25. Not procrastinate to the max

26. Not having random paranoia while high

27. Not thinking about how I can get weed when I'm planning a trip

28. Not ignoring messages from old friends and family members because I'm more interested in getting high

29. Having a body that isn't built on junk food

30. Not spending an enormous amount of time researching strains and ways to smoke

>What are your thoughts on coffee/caffeine addiction?

I don't know. I don't have enough experience/thoughts on this.

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