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Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by nottorp »

kypro wrote: post #154
iSnow wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Several million dollars? Any EU tax payers care to justify this insanity? Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. Probably, MS will try to backtrack and violate regulations at some point so it will pay for itself too. I'll never get the US masochism where interference by regulators to defend the end-user is somehow se…

> Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. But this never ends. Every week there's a new article here about how the EU is forcing electronics makers implement their preferred charger ports, or displaying cookie notices to EU visitors, or making phone batteries replaceable. It's endless crap that adds drag to businesses…

Too bad your unregulated ideal free market doesn't work in real life because companies tend to merge until you as a consumer end up with 2 or at most 3 options that are equally shitty.

It would be just fine if you had 20 interchangeable OS vendors competing for your buck indeed. Unfortunately you have 2 or at best 3 if you count the mythical desktop linux. And they're not interchangeable.

Same for phones, can I choose between 10 phone operating systems? Um no, there are just two of them.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by ffhhttt »

echelon wrote: post #102
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.

Apple doesn't even allow other browsers that aren't webkit reskins on iOS, which is far worse. Both companies need regulatory actions to reign them in. Apple probably needs to be broken up.

Out of all the major tech companies that you could “break up” doing that to Apple would probably make the least sense.

Integration between devices/software is their entire selling point.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by wishfish »

kypro wrote: post #154
iSnow wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Several million dollars? Any EU tax payers care to justify this insanity? Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. Probably, MS will try to backtrack and violate regulations at some point so it will pay for itself too. I'll never get the US masochism where interference by regulators to defend the end-user is somehow se…

> Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. But this never ends. Every week there's a new article here about how the EU is forcing electronics makers implement their preferred charger ports, or displaying cookie notices to EU visitors, or making phone batteries replaceable. It's endless crap that adds drag to businesses…

Speaking as an American, I'm jealous of the EU approach. Yes, I think some of the EU regulations are silly. But they're taking a default position in favor of the citizens. Not in favor of the corporations. In this day and age, that's kinda heartwarming.

Here in the US we're obviously in the opposite situation. We get some good protections occasionally, but the default position is almost always pro-corporate. With extra favor given to those who donated money to the politicians. I'd so much rather have the EU way of thinking. Even if it leads to more annoying cookie banners.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by Turneyboy »

tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #90
desi_ninja wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When will Apple admit?

Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.

At the very least they do not allow keychain to interact with browsers other than safari. This means that your autofill does not synchronize easily with your mobile devices.

That's a choice that is not based on technical conditions and is pure disrespect of user preferences.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by walthamstow »

kypro wrote: post #77

Wonder how much this regulation cost to draft, pass, and implement? Several million dollars? Any EU tax payers care to justify this insanity? I mean does any normal person even care about this? Eg, not people on HN with Macbook Pros – your average Windows user. At the end of the day Windows does loads of stuff I don't like. That's why I don't use Windows anymore. Like with most things the EU regulates this just isn't…

You use a word like 'insanity' then plead with people for sensible debate.

If you think different perspectives are so good, why do you immediately call the opposing view insane?

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by jwells89 »

flohofwoe wrote: post #156
toxik wrote: post #108

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WebKit is probably the only thing holding the web open at this point. Imagine if this last bastion of non-Chromium went away, and Googles stranglehold on the web was finally total.

Opening up iOS to other browser engines doesn't mean that suddenly Safari stops working. If anything it would force Safari to become competitive with Chrome.

> If anything it would force Safari to become competitive with Chrome.

It would take more than just being competitive, the WebKit team would need to start perfectly reproducing Blink behaviors and quirks. Devs are already more than happy to never test their work against anything that’s not Chrome and that’s only going to intensify when they don’t need to care about WebKit any more — any deviance from Chrome even if it’s technically within spec will be considered an error.

That’s where users feel forced to change browsers, because if they don’t they’ll frequently be running into pages that are broken in browsers that aren’t Blink-based.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by jrootabega »

user3939382 wrote: post #36

I'm loving M$ having to admit they're intentionally abusing their users by disrespecting their preferences even when it would cost them nothing to do so.

If respecting user preferences reduced Edge/MS ecosystem adoption, then that's a cost.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by xnickb »

dijit wrote: post #145
teddyh wrote: post #144

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> the original vision for the iPhone was web-apps not native ones As I heard, that was just the cover story to hide the fact that the original iPhone was too slow to properly run Flash (or native apps).

too slow for native apps . Read that again to yourself, slowly.

A concept of thin clients is of course completely unthinkable in this context.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Post by ffhhttt »

kuschku wrote: post #147
tankenmate wrote: post #117

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But tariff free trade for goods benefits the EU more as the UK service sector is bigger than their goods sector. UK services companies (especially regulated services like finance, law, etc) are at a disadvantage to EU companies because the UK companies don't have equivalency (i.e. the either need extra checks (costs) to operate in the EU, or need to open a corporate office in the EU). And, the UK recently decided to…

> UK food inflation is still higher than just about all EU countries even without the checks Have you considered that UK food inflation is higher precisely because they're not in the single market?

I don’t anyone here is arguing that leaving the single market was a great idea. Rather that it doesn’t make much sense to stay in it if you want to leave the EU.
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