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YouTube-Dl Site Goes Offline as Hosting Provider Enforces Court-Ordered Ban

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Post by digging »

netsharc wrote: post #105
backtoyoujim wrote: post #35

"it’s good enough to signal to average users that downloading content from YouTube is not permitted." that sure seems like doublespeak. i have to download the video to watch it.

It's probably "download" (legal definition) and not "download" (technical definition), and Mr. Judge will only care about the legal definition.

Yes it seems obvious to me that "download" here means "store outside the browser in a format that can be viewed in any player and copied indefinitely". of course my browser is downloading a video I watch but not in a form that is useful to me outside of viewing it on that site in that browser.

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Post by chasil »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #131
netsharc wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. Besides how would you like to work in the YouTube "DRM" team, where every few weeks you'd show up to work and the news is "well, they cracked it again, your last few months' of work is useless.".

> I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. They aren't investing because its a CLI tool. Its not really a threat. If it was, like, a "1 click download free music from Youtube!" app that was trending like crazy, Google would focus more on fighting it. The project is balanced between…

Well, I really hope that they don't hear about Skytube.

Google, close your eyes!

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/free.rm.skytube.oss/

Bad Google! No dividends for you!

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Post by tadfisher »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #173
skyyler wrote: post #3

As noted in the article, the project still has a page on github: http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ I've moved on to https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp anyways. But this is still an infuriating move. youtube-dl wasn't doing anything infringing on its site, was it?

Currently, AFAICT, the "rolling cipher" is not even required for unthrottled speed. I could be wrong. I am not an expert on YT. However I tested all the 30+ sample videos in youtube.py^1 outside the browser, without using "youtube-dl" or "youtube-dlp", and got only unthrottled speeds. Perhaps someone can provide an example to prove that this "rolling cipher" is actually required. 1. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/…

Correct, the only ones claiming YouTube's "rolling cipher" is an anti-piracy control are the RIAA. YouTube themselves have not claimed this to my knowledge.

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Post by mk_stjames »

qingcharles wrote: post #26

This is why I'm setting up a reverse proxy on another host in front of my web site, in case I get some fake takedown request from a competitor that causes my host to delete my account. At least if I use a proxy I can spend a small amount of time setting up a new proxy. I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut of…

Curious, what line of work are you in where your competitors are using such a tactic to target your online sales site? Because... wow.

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

chasil wrote: post #192
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a feeling Google/Alphabet/YouTube aren't investing a lot of money into this, because they know their opponents have almost infinite resource, of free time and dedication. They aren't investing because its a CLI tool. Its not really a threat. If it was, like, a "1 click download free music from Youtube!" app that was trending like crazy, Google would focus more on fighting it. The project is balanced between…

Well, I really hope that they don't hear about Skytube. Google, close your eyes! https://f-droid.org/en/packages/free.rm.skytube.oss/ Bad Google! No dividends for you!

Its not on Google Play, so no worries about mass proliferation.

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Post by nadermx »

tadfisher wrote: post #193
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Currently, AFAICT, the "rolling cipher" is not even required for unthrottled speed. I could be wrong. I am not an expert on YT. However I tested all the 30+ sample videos in youtube.py^1 outside the browser, without using "youtube-dl" or "youtube-dlp", and got only unthrottled speeds. Perhaps someone can provide an example to prove that this "rolling cipher" is actually required. 1. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/…

Correct, the only ones claiming YouTube's "rolling cipher" is an anti-piracy control are the RIAA. YouTube themselves have not claimed this to my knowledge.

This point is specifically up on appeal in the US Second circut https://torrentfreak.com/yout-counters-riaa-in-court-quoting...

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Post by tadfisher »

KolmogorovComp wrote: post #172

> A German court previously ruled that stream-ripping software bypasses YouTube’s ‘rolling cipher’ download protection. This is seen as a circumvention of technical protection measures, a violation of intellectual property law in Europe.` Does someone know what they mean by 'rolling cipher' here?

They are referring to the "s" query parameter which is a short ID referring to the next piece of video/audio stream. This is a good explanation: https://torrentfreak.com/deciphering-youtubes-rolling-cypher...

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Post by boomboomsubban »

somat wrote: post #179
charcircuit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yt-dlp is not youtube-dl

The main difference in the fork is that yt-dlp uses the android interface and youtube-dl uses the web interface.

Huh? Both have command line interfaces.

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Post by huhtenberg »

... and all this headache will just go away once Chrome's Web Integrity ships and hooks neatly into Protected Media Path and that totally optional TPM in Windows 11 that got stuffed down everyone's throat as a free update from an equally generously free Windows 10. The trap is almost closed, not long now.

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Post by widowlark »

999900000999 wrote: post #49

Such a complex topic. On one hand YouTube has tons of public domain content which should be free to download. On the other hand, YT DL had explicit test cases for downloading music videos with specific DRM. Don't poke the bear.

> Don't poke the bear

We should kill the bear.

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