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Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

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Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#191
If anyone is a glutton for punishment there are overlapping records requirements, but this is the one that is the one that is probably most relevant to those in the securities industry https://www.finra.org/rules-guidance/key-topics/books-record...

"Firms may not permit the use of any type of electronic communication if they are unable to satisfy the applicable recordkeeping requirements with respect to that particular type of electronic communication."

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#192
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a problem with including the full headline because only so many characters could be used in the title of the post.

You could have used "Banks fined millions evading regulation with Signal & WhatsApp" News headlines have rules they use to make for shorter sentences. They'd probably write "Banks fined millions, delete records, use E2E apps"

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Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#193

This headline is clickbait. The issue is banks not preserving records, something that the rules are ABUNDANTLY clear on.

The real issue is that there are just fines, which sound like a lot of money but it’s a small cost of doing illegal or shady business for banks.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#194
Wells Fargo gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $80.279B. Billion, with a B. A $0.5B fine is both a lot and nowhere near enough.

I imagine a smaller fine would be a more effective deterrent if it was directed at the C-suite instead of the whole corporation. Maybe a little jail time too, as a treat.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#195
To the surprise of no one, Matt Levine has written about this a few times (there's some other linked issues in here as well):

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-08-08/don-t-...

His is a pretty balanced take and raises some interesting points:

> I have argued that the SEC has aggressively expanded the recordkeeping requirements. In the olden days, almost all communication was informal and not recorded, and only formal decisions were memorialized in typed and carbon-papered memos, so the SEC had access only to a pretty limited slice of communications. Now, vastly more informal communication is text-based, and texting is a substitute for conversation, not for formal memos.

The rest of the piece and some of his related commentary in the area is worth a read.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#196

At this point I cannot understand why anybody would use Wells Fargo as their bank. WF has proven repeatedly that they are pretty much the opposite of what everybody thinks a good bank should be. Repeated law violations; repeated screwing-over of their customers. Why are they still in business?

Basically every major bank is being fined for this behaviour. WF is a truly, uniquely terrible bank, but this incident is not proof of that.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#197

Wells Fargo gross profit for the twelve months ending June 30, 2023 was $80.279B. Billion, with a B. A $0.5B fine is both a lot and nowhere near enough. I imagine a smaller fine would be a more effective deterrent if it was directed at the C-suite instead of the whole corporation. Maybe a little jail time too, as a treat.

Wrong. That’s revenue, not profit.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#198

To the surprise of no one, Matt Levine has written about this a few times (there's some other linked issues in here as well): https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-08-08/don-t-... His is a pretty balanced take and raises some interesting points: > I have argued that the SEC has aggressively expanded the recordkeeping requirements. In the olden days, almost all communication was informal and not recorded, an…

I don't see a downside to expanding the record keeping requirements. Record keeping is easier than ever and frankly banks haven't proven themselves worthy of our trust. Sounds great to me.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#199
post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Presumably telephone calls, zoom calls and in person meetings aren't recorded? Of course they are. No offense: Where have you been?

Since when they are all recorded? It definitely wasn't the case ~15 years ago.

Way too much storage sitting in Utah for the conversations to not be kept for at least some time.

Obviously I can't show you.

Re: Banks hit with millions in fines for using Signal and WhatsApp

#200
post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Four levels of government and an ISP having an easily searched and/or subpoenae'd copy of the message...? What forum is this?

RCS are end to end encrypted.

Actually forgot this made it anywhere!

Any idea on the % adoption rate? Couldn't easily find it.

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