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There's a community of people who really seek out "AI girlfriends". Once or twice a year I sort of peek in and see what they are doing. What surprises me is how bad the tech is. It's "mediocre chatbot" level currently and yet these people are VERY happy with it, spending hundreds a month and having all sort of custom artwork done. For a meaningful percentage of the pop, very low fidelity tech, even at an extreme pric…
that’s fascinating. can you point to anything where one could start exploring this area further?
We are all animals at night
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#192> What do you need if you’re out seeking services at night? Food, sex, shelter. This really encapsulates what all humans want and need. Food, sex & love, shelter & clothing. With only those three things you can live a happy life. Everything else is really to satisfy a desire for novelty and experience.
I hear this often and the idea that some people believe it strikes me as profoundly sad. I don't know if it's even as applicable as people who say this think it is. I don't know anyone who has ate and loved/fucked their way out of the dread of doing nothing and knowing nothing. They're usually just left wondering "is this all there really is?" I know plenty of people that primarily live off of gruel with little to no…
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Can you explain why the trade she describes is regulated the way it is that doesn’t involve traditions and superstitions around power and sex?
Monogamy as a norm is about stability. Without it, what would tend to happen is that many more men would have no wives and families. Which means they have relatively little to lose. Which could tend to make your society unstable, since these men have little reason not to flip alliances, revolt, defect, etc. Hence laws and consequences for adultery, prohibition of an open market for non-monogamous sex, etc. The tradit…
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All animals can have sex, most without thinking. It’s the definition of skillless work when even a mouse can figure it out and most humans get it for free. Some guys are lonely and will pay for any hole to stick it in, but that doesn’t mean the work has any real value. Make no mistake that’s what they see her as, some random hole to enjoy and she’s trying to cope with that.
Classy
I’m tired of the glorification of sex work and people pretending it’s anything other than what it is.
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#197Let's get this straight. The person blessed with what is basically a panhandling superpower -- an attractive female body -- somehow says her marks , the ones paying $80, have an entitled attitude toward sexual attention. Pause and think about that. Do you think these guys had a Plan B to buy them an English degree? These places conduct zero-sum economic activity. One person loses money, one person gains money, and no…
Fairness in society quickly becomes a can of worms. It is unfair that someone can make $80/h in the gig economy because of their body, but what about $80/h the coder makes because they can think a certain way, which carries on being paid as they slam that fusball into the goal, or snore in a meeting.
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But I’ve seen many, many stories with similar tone from people who have done all those other things. Sex work frequently calls on people to do something that may be the farthest from what their emotional desire is at the time, but that's…not uncommon for work, especially work that is low paying (or highly paid largely because of the adverse conditions and not a high entry skill filter.) And living without work in a capitalist society ("live in a cardboard box") is…well, not an improvement, which is why few people with a choice choose it.
> she did it because she had low standards for herself and found sexual validation of strangers easier than grinding out a living like other people do.
Providing sexual validation for strangers is grinding out a living, and, regional variations in legality of particular patterns of doing so aside, isn't any less so than any other service work.
> “I once watched a fast-food server placate a violent customer with nothing more than her voice and a stale honey cruller at her disposal.” This is given as an example of a “skill” that should be considered admirable. It should be considered unnecessary.
It is both admirable and something that should be unnecessary.
> No one should be behaving violently towards fast food workers
That people shouldn’t be behaving violently towards fast food workers doesn’t make fast food workers with the skill to deal with that any less admirable.
> and if they do, it shouldn’t be fast food workers who are placating them
That someone else should be protecting fast food workers from situations like that (which, again, shouldn’t happen in the first place, so no one should need to) doesn’t make fast food workers having the skill to do it themselves less admirable, since we live in a world where it both does happen, and other people mostly aren’t there to do something about it.
> We could just close fast food restaurants at night.
Not sure how “people who would be fast food workers don’t have jobs” is an improvement here. Though it increases the number of people whose best option is sex work.
> We could put people in jail for a long time if they behaved poorly towards service industry employees.
There are plenty of acts (including “violence toward service industry workers”) already subject to substantial incarceration. That doesn’t protect people from them happening. Punishment is very poor prevention.
> Her fond and admirable reminiscence of this act betrays her inability to imagine a society with actual standards for its residents
No, it “betrays” her sense to admire people for their ability to live in the real world, rather than a fantasy ideal one that does not exist.
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The author didn’t assert that sex work is the only job where women get to call the shots. The author suggested that could be a reason why it’s marginalized. Because if it was legitimized, then women would call the shots.
I did not read it that way and I think that she would have phrased it differently if so. “an industry where women get to call the shots” she would have said “would get” imo if your interpretation was correct, just as you use ‘would’ in your comment. I took her to be describing sex work in the present, not some hypothetical future sex work. Here is the excerpt for those who want to judge for themselves: ‘Unlike sex wo…