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Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by scrollaway » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 10:05 AM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #164

hunson_abadeer wrote: post #136

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> You can thank Mel Gibson and industry lobbying Why do we always need a boogeyman? Melatonin appears nearly harmless. Isn't it strange that we've grown so accustomed to so many things being restricted that we're taken aback by this sliver of medical self-determination, and we publish hard-hitting investigative pieces about how supposedly terrible that is? I get it that we maybe don't want to go back to the era of "p…

> Melatonin appears nearly harmless. Does it? We really haven't done enough science on it. > Melatonin has been linked to headaches, dizziness, nausea, stomach cramps, drowsiness, confusion or disorientation, irritability and mild anxiety, depression and tremors as well as abnormally low blood pressure. It can also interact with common medications and trigger allergies. [1] [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/01/health/m…

Commenting on HN has been linked to most of these symptoms yet it’s not regulated either.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by brainzap » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 10:27 AM UTC

maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

isnt Melatonin responsible for body development like puperty etc

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by RheingoldRiver » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 10:49 AM UTC

BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #152

RheingoldRiver wrote: post #122

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This is 0.3 and not 3 right? I just checked and my pills are 3mg. If it's supposed to be 0.3 I will buy a new bottle immediately and see if it improves my sleep. 100% agree about taking it early, I get a bit of an "omg I'm sleepy" effect immediately, but I'm pretty sure it's placebo, I have to take it about 1-2 hours before I want to sleep. But it's still not super effective on its own.

it's not a placebo, that's how it works. you get a small window to ride that effect to sleep.

Well, what happens is, I am briefly tired for about 5 minutes immediately after taking it, but if I lie in bed I'm immediately wide awake. But about 2 hours later I'm legitimately sleepy. But it's certainly possible both effects are real.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by RheingoldRiver » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 10:49 AM UTC

n4te wrote: post #170

RheingoldRiver wrote: post #122

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This is 0.3 and not 3 right? I just checked and my pills are 3mg. If it's supposed to be 0.3 I will buy a new bottle immediately and see if it improves my sleep. 100% agree about taking it early, I get a bit of an "omg I'm sleepy" effect immediately, but I'm pretty sure it's placebo, I have to take it about 1-2 hours before I want to sleep. But it's still not super effective on its own.

0.3mg is right. I recommend get dissolving 1mg tablets, just break them into rough thirds. Dissolve under the tongue 15 minutes before sleep.

Fantastic, thanks! I probably misheard my doctor on the phone or something. I'll see what I can find!

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by mettamage » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 11:26 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #146

kelnos wrote: post #103

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I still use melatonin on occasion. When I first learned about it, I tried the 10mg version, and it never did anything for me. Years ago I read about 0.3mg being the correct dose, and gave that a try. I don't take it every night, but when I do, I sleep much better, and for longer without waking up. The main annoying thing about it is that you really need to take it a few hours before you go to sleep. So it's not somet…

I too have had much better success with 0.3 mg, although it's annoying to have to cut up the pills. But for me personally, I get the full effect within about 45 min, and it's noticeable within about 20 min. I only take it very occasionally, when I need to shift my schedule to wake up several hours earlier than normal.

In The Netherlands you can buy it per 0.1 mg. There are 500 small tablets in a bottle.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by smaudet » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 11:33 AM UTC

smellyshaft1 wrote: post #165

kelnos wrote: post #113

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The problem is that capitalism drives people to push lies as fact, and manipulate people into believing those lies. "Well maybe people just shouldn't be so gullible" clearly isn't a solution, or the problem would be solved already. I don't think that's an excuse to start banning books (and other media), but products like this -- especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicin…

Uh, capitalism does that? Capitalism is responsible for a lot of evils in the world but it is not the root cause of people lying. >especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicine -- should be vetted by actual experts (more than one), and stores should be required to post disclaimers when the product doesn't pass muster. No thanks to the nanny warning. I've reading plenty of…

"No thanks to the nanny warning."

This isn't directed at you then - if you actually have experience and done some real research (not read some news articles), great. Make informed decisions.

"We're grown adults."

A non sequitor. Grown adults are often unknowledgeable, incorrect, strapped for time, etc.

I've frequently seen nonsense pushed as fact, and known that I don't actually know everything. I welcome better (human agency, crowd-source mix) vetting in general.

I'm not so arrogant that I think I can always "do my own research" and get it right.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by smaudet » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 11:38 AM UTC

baggy_trough wrote: post #157

kelnos wrote: post #113

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The problem is that capitalism drives people to push lies as fact, and manipulate people into believing those lies. "Well maybe people just shouldn't be so gullible" clearly isn't a solution, or the problem would be solved already. I don't think that's an excuse to start banning books (and other media), but products like this -- especially anything that advocates a particular approach to health, nutrition, or medicin…

I think your proposed cure is far worse than the disease. It would have a profound chilling effect on free speech.

Eh?

"and stores should be required to post disclaimers when the product doesn't pass muster."

What about this is restrictive of free speech? If anything, YOU want to restrict the speech of the store to not allow them to say things they sell might be nonsense.

I think for medical things, oversight and general blurbs are fine. Its also fine if the store in question wants to post a blurb where they disagree with the "vetted" version. But this tramples on nobodies free speech, only on your personal sensibilities.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by drevil-v2 » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 11:50 AM UTC

maltyr wrote: post #5

I'm not sure we should cover our food in melatonin. People would recoil at the thought of pretty much any other hormone being added to our food supply. It's strange to me how Melatonin is so uncontrolled in usage, dosage, etc., despite being a hormone. The article suggests it's safer than current food additives, but I find that statement questionable. We don't understand the full effect of Melatonin on the human body…

I saw Andrew Hubermann talking on a podcast(pretty sure it was on Joe Rogan) about Melatonin; he said studies showed melatonin will significantly shrink your testicles. Since then I haven’t touched the stuff.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by pipe2devnull » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 11:51 AM UTC

coffeebeqn wrote: post #178

cobaltoxide wrote: post #166

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You should be able to fall asleep in less than 15-20 minutes without using melatonin as well.

I can probably count on one hand during my adult life where that’s been the case. Is that really the reality for most?

Most normal nights is definitely within 10 min for me. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was less than 5 min.

Re: Melatonin as a treatment for food waste

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Post by goodpoint » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 12:07 PM UTC

vvpan wrote: post #36

ac29 wrote: post #26

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Melatonin in the US is frequently found in 5 or 10 mg doses, which is a huge amount and can cause adverse reactions in people. A better dose is 0.3mg (300 mcg) or 0.5mg (500 mcg).

General problem with "supplements" I imagine.

It' a general problem with the US.