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Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by taeric »

paul7986 wrote: post #190
taeric wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really couldn't have picked a worse weekend to make this call. Barbie, alone, is setting record numbers that are showing a pretty good recovery for the past few years. I'm open to attention spans changing. Or demographics changing. Or both. My money, though, is pandemic hangover. I'm struggling to see how anything else comes even close in explanation power to, "we were in a pandemic."

Barbie yes ... but what about tons of others released mid may til now. Last summer in 2022 many movies made well over 100 million. So the pandemic? Also Youtube is the most used streaming app followed by TikTok ... how many are watching for free? See Google results for this data https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=are%20people%20using%2... My thoughts are based on the data above, other similar data Ive seen, my own…

The numbers for movies took an obvious hit during the pandemic. There could be other explanations, of course; but it will be hard to avoid the elephant in the room that is the pandemic.

This will be true for basically all markets. There was an obvious shock during the past few years that is already explanatory for so many problems. No need to hunt for others.

But, even the article you linked is about how the market "continued its recovery in 2022." By the accounting, with the record breaking weekends we just had, this year seems set to be larger than last. Sure, it isn't larger than the past two combined, but that is hardly damning.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by paul7986 »

taeric wrote: post #191
paul7986 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barbie yes ... but what about tons of others released mid may til now. Last summer in 2022 many movies made well over 100 million. So the pandemic? Also Youtube is the most used streaming app followed by TikTok ... how many are watching for free? See Google results for this data https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=are%20people%20using%2... My thoughts are based on the data above, other similar data Ive seen, my own…

The numbers for movies took an obvious hit during the pandemic. There could be other explanations, of course; but it will be hard to avoid the elephant in the room that is the pandemic. This will be true for basically all markets. There was an obvious shock during the past few years that is already explanatory for so many problems. No need to hunt for others. But, even the article you linked is about how the market "…

Cool I'll stick to my out of the box thinking ...it's never popular on here but in the end future proves to be on the money

in a few years we will see many streamers Consolidate and to compete against the biggest streaming apps YouTube and TikTok more free offerings will be available and or cheaper ones. Hollywood 'S push to go AI is a smart money saving one

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by bdcravens »

HWR_14 wrote: post #71
bdcravens wrote: post #37

Low cost computer, free software updates, backend infrastructure, several years of functional life, for $40 in sales (is there any profit there?). Exactly how is it surprising that they need to make some sort of additional revenue via kickback?

The specs are seem roughly equivalent to a raspberry pi, which is produced with far less economies of scale, and sold for a similar price point.

The Pi is sold without peripherals (remote) at that price point, they build little of the software, and given the supply/demand of late, there's a good argument to be made that it's well underpriced.

When I had DirecTV Stream, I bought their streaming device (basically an Android steaming device, but they made it super simple to go into programming, feeling more like traditional cable). They cost $120 each.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by turquoisevar »

notatoad wrote: post #147
Liquix wrote: post #54

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Plex Inc. is not a good company. They are eager to collect and sell your data to advertisers. Jellyfin is a great alternative. Plex may share Collected Information as expressly set forth in this Privacy Policy, including the following limited situations: [...] With third parties to improve and deliver advertising to you on our behalf. Plex may also use third-party advertising companies to serve ads, which may, direct…

where "my data" means a record of the shows i watch. i'm okay with that. the shows i watch don't need to be a secret. i want advertisers to know what i watch, so more of that sort of TV gets made. If Plex can make money off this information, and give me a good service in exchange for that, it seems like an arrangement that benefits us both. what's the problem?

The point of correlating data has already been brought up, but ultimately no answer will be satisfactory.

Some people consider it a problem and some people don’t.

The former is more sensitive to their data being collected and leveraged and the latter “has nothing to hide” or simply prefers targeted ads.

Some are against manipulation attempts with the goal to be parted with their money and others go all in on “personal responsibility”.

They’re entirely incompatible positions and any debate back and forth would be a waste of time of both parties.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by bdcravens »

the8472 wrote: post #136
bdcravens wrote: post #37

Low cost computer, free software updates, backend infrastructure, several years of functional life, for $40 in sales (is there any profit there?). Exactly how is it surprising that they need to make some sort of additional revenue via kickback?

> free software updates It's not like amazon is paying for the maintenance of the entire software stack. And the part they're doing they mostly have to do anyway to support new devices.

Which underpins the point, that Amazon is continuing development of new software and hardware even with such low/no profit.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by turquoisevar »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #33

The trickle down effects of Apple being a $3T corporation that is widely beloved and did it all on the back of a fiercely guarded walled garden.

Hardly comparable.

One started a platform with an upfront communicated commission rate that, at the time, was literally received with applause because before that the rates were significantly worse for developers and has never raised the rate in its entire history (instead lowered it for certain circumstances).

The other is a bait and switch, luring people onto the platform under one set of rules, only to pull the rug from under them years after the status quo was established and change the rules to impose a commission that didn’t apply to them until now.

One is hard to argue as an anti-trust violation and the other is pretty much a textbook example.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by taeric »

paul7986 wrote: post #192
taeric wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The numbers for movies took an obvious hit during the pandemic. There could be other explanations, of course; but it will be hard to avoid the elephant in the room that is the pandemic. This will be true for basically all markets. There was an obvious shock during the past few years that is already explanatory for so many problems. No need to hunt for others. But, even the article you linked is about how the market "…

Cool I'll stick to my out of the box thinking ...it's never popular on here but in the end future proves to be on the money in a few years we will see many streamers Consolidate and to compete against the biggest streaming apps YouTube and TikTok more free offerings will be available and or cheaper ones. Hollywood 'S push to go AI is a smart money saving one

I confess I don't know what you are saying here. :(

I should also ack that I do actually subscribe to some twitch channels. I have no problem saying that these things are growing. Most evidence I am seeing shows not that they will supplant the old guard movies, but will grow along side them.

This is not much different to video games as entertainment. I remember concerns that they would somehow replace physical sports. If that is still a concern, it is hard to take seriously. Traditional sports have continued to grow to unheard of sizes.

Does this mean that hollywood and the like have nothing to fear? Not really. But licensing on movies and broadcasts being what they are, they have quite a moat on things.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by [deleted] »

bdcravens wrote: post #193
HWR_14 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The specs are seem roughly equivalent to a raspberry pi, which is produced with far less economies of scale, and sold for a similar price point.

The Pi is sold without peripherals (remote) at that price point, they build little of the software, and given the supply/demand of late, there's a good argument to be made that it's well underpriced. When I had DirecTV Stream, I bought their streaming device (basically an Android steaming device, but they made it super simple to go into programming, feeling more like traditional cable). They cost $120 each.

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Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by michaelmrose »

mcpackieh wrote: post #188
michaelmrose wrote: post #157

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Youtube has the video service with cats, puppies, howtos, reviews, and conspiracy theories and YoutubeTV which has live TV, as well as movies, and shows. It is the latter which is artificially limited on Linux but LESS so than for instance hulu or Amazon. In case any confusion remains these latter are available at tv.youtube.com with a subscription.

Huh, I didn't know this exists. Seems antithetical to the point of youtube to be honest, is this actually popular?

It's a cheaper version of a cable package that can be used by up to five google accounts that might not share the same physical household. EG a subscription with multiple premium channels and a good range of channels available in two households could easily be $400-$500 not including internet. YoutubeTV for a similar range of content would be ~$100.

The purpose of youtube for most consumers is to consume video content. Much of the professionally produced video content is TV shows and movies which obviously remains popular. This includes by reference content originating from a range of platforms HBO/Showtime/Starz/Paramount/AMC and so forth

EG you select HBO and Showtime as part of your package and can view the same content as is on MAX or showtime in the singular unified youtubeTV interface. Kind of a mixture of TIVO and netflix with a better interface.

Re: Amazon requires services on Fire TV to give it 30% of ad impressions or revenue

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Post by [deleted] »

mcpackieh wrote: post #108
callalex wrote: post #100

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The content providers will refuse to serve the video to you without DRM, attestation, HDCP, whatever new crap some MBA came up with to justify a paycheck to some other MBA…

Oh, well using linux to use the same services would be pointless of course. I thought the point was to play local media.

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