Author doesn't get that there is no "eyeball database", only a database of hashes.
Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
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Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I don’t believe that the team are lying Why not? >If it fails it’s pretty inconsequential. Definitely, it only collected the biometrics of thousands of desperate people into the hands of private people who work with law enforcement agencies everywhere to provide surveillance as a service.
You’re misrepresenting what it’s collecting and you’re part of the problem in this discussion. Worldcoin isn’t storing anything that could be used by any other entity. It doesn’t store biometrics and there isn’t a way to use the store information to know what the iris looked like that generated it.
A hash of a biometric has the exact same negative properties of a biometric data point itself: That it is not concealable, you cannot change it, and that it is tied to you explicitly. Surely you see how a giant database of biometric hashes provides the same usefulness to bad actors as an actual biometric database? It's a unique identifier tied explicitly to your physical body. Anything that hash is tied to can later be trivially de-anonymized.
After collecting everyone's biometric "ID", that database can be helpfully leased to Peter Thiel's (one of the early investors) wonderful surveillance machines, so now when the officer pulls you over "for a broken taillight", their body camera can get a nice view of your iris and buy your entire worldcoin history from say Palentir, for a price of course, and zero warrant.
Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
#193I am seeing a pattern here and I am starting to believe that Sam Altman is an Accelerationist: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism A lot of his actions, investments and marketing strategy seem to point in that direction.
It's curious to frame this as an intentional act rather than an inevitable, natural stage of capitalism.
That's the main idea behind accelerationism from a Landian perspective. That capitalism is just getting started and that it's unstoppable and that it won't transition into socialisim like Marx predicted but rather will encompass more and more of everything and be the vehicle for the next evolution into a cybernetic species. It's the evolution of evolution and it's unstoppable. So get on with it and learn to love it.
Quotes like "it is easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism" and Mark Fisher's (CCNU and Nick Land, etc)ideas around capitalism realism sort of sum it up.
Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
#194I'm grateful for worldcoin as it shows the True face of the dystopian ruthless capitalism of Silicon Valley, AÍ companies and all this bullshit that focuses on profit while completely forgets and did regada human wellbeing.
Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
#195I am seeing a pattern here and I am starting to believe that Sam Altman is an Accelerationist: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism A lot of his actions, investments and marketing strategy seem to point in that direction.
I think he's just out of touch. Here's another example: https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d9y5n/the-people-building-a...
That's hilarious, thanks for linking.
Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
#196Everytime I hear of worldcoin I immediately think of onecoin. I wonder if onecoin wouldn't be the name of worldcoin if it weren't for the controversy. Onecoin is a good name though.
Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Try to imagine using a computer without any internet access to book an airline ticket. It doesn't really matter how many or which operations your computer can perform, it is not able to book an airline ticket unless there is another computer which can accept that booking and which your computer can talk to. The internet is next to useless for booking ryan air flights until ryan air puts one of their computers onto th…
> When Congress certifies the election they do not publish that certification onto any blockchain. Maybe some day they will. The Oracle problem isn't the fact that this doesn't happen today, it's that it can never happen in a way that is trustable. When Congress (or anyone else) does decide to publish the election results to a blockchain, every dollar bet on the outcome will be a prize to be won by anyone who can sub…
That doesn't sound right. Nobody talks about the oracle problem in the context of market makers connecting to nasdaq. You're _never_ sure that your counter-party to some communication is who you think they are. The definition of the oracle problem you propose applies to almost the entirety of the modern world and would come up in conversation all the time.
TLS and other measures make me _very_ sure google.com is resolving to a server controlled by Google. A congress who wanted to do so could vote using hardware wallets and publish signatures and we could be just as sure that the blockchain reflected reality. A congress who wanted to do so [1] could declare that henceforth the answer on the blockchain _is_ reality; ryan air could decide that the ethereum smart contract which manages bookings _is_ reality, then there would be no oracle problem even by your definition.
[1] or maybe it would require a constitutional change
Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse
#198Worldcoin is simply another pre-mined, VC backed shitcoin - albeit worst because they’re building a biometrics database. - VCs dump money in (SBF, a16z, etc) - 25% of the coins are kept for the founders + investors How many times do people have to get burned on these scams? Obviously Sam has some street cred with the govt else they would have pulled him infront of congress like when zuck tried to launch Libre.
If they didn't seem so stupid, you'd think the biometrics collection thing was the point, but I actually think they're just so dumb it's not even that sophisticated a scam.
The point is obviously not the biometrics.
The point is A) buy low (at zero) and B) sell high.
Everything else is just a marketing ploy to get to B.
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's funny how, in the end, the ultimate and perhaps only proof of personhood is being a person, engaged in the world. Sort of how the ultimate decentralized currency is encompassed in the global market of rising and falling economic powers. The oracle problem is a problem because there are no oracles. There is only the test of time. Or something along that line.
> the ultimate and perhaps only proof of personhood is being a person, engaged in the world I buy this. Daniel Suarez had a very similar idea, although he referred to it as the bot problem[0]. I believe this approach of identities withstanding "the test of time" solves the oracle problem but at the cost of a delayed solution. Initially you have lots and lots of bots and Sybil attacks are common. Then after a while, i…
> My identity on hackernews is over 11 years old. Creating such an identity with the comment history, connection to a true name, and content over 11 years would be very expensive. Likely more expensive that a fake passport.
Not if you have access to the HN database :^)
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I think it's a kind of uncharitable article (surely Sam and the rest of the people involved have spent a ton of time thinking about the problem and the existence of black markets and possibilities for abuse), but >I don’t know if it’s the best attempt but I understand what it is and what the goals are. a bad solution can potentially be worse than no solution in this case. A false belief in identity guarantees can fac…
Agreed, I just have a hard time with articles I know to be uncharitable or written with an obvious bent against the subject.
Maybe world coin has thought of these problems? Maybe not, but I wouldn’t trust the author to have done any due diligence.
There’s an interesting article to be written here, but this isn’t it imo.