iMessage is pretty pointless with backdoors
Which backdoors does it have?
Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
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Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the company can give your data to the government with no recourse available to you and no warrant required from the government.
Which is a good reason to avoid giving your data to either one in the first place. If I don't have a choice though, I'll take the company over the government any day.
Difficulty: "Any day" meaning 1917 in Russia or 1933 in Germany.
(Edit: for my next trick, I will read the post more carefully before replying)
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think Meta _needs_ WhatsApp to be their loss-leader (not really, but you know) when it comes to security. They always get to say "oh but WhatsApp is E2E!! We do care about security!"
I mean Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G.
Also multiple celebrities had their nudes stolen from their iCloud.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G.
> Apple didn't give two stones about security until it became a marketing/selling point as a counterpoint to the big G That’s not true. Apple was position itself as being better at security than Microsoft long before Google was selling devices to people. For example: https://youtu.be/VuqZ8AqmLPY
Hmm, might want to reconsider that [1]
[1]https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/28/root_access_bypass_ma....
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#195i simply prefer not to believe anything that any government or any trillion dollar company says about encryption and privacy. Apple: > "We have never heard of PRISM", "We do not provide any government agency with direct access to our servers" https://web.archive.org/web/20130609061546/https://www.culto... ..some things are just not discussed on public forums.
That could be true? IIRC, PRISM was less about direct access, and more about abusing every potential method of gaining information. For example, imagine a Login page that said, "Password incorrect," versus "User does not exist." If you have "User does not exist," you could use that to figure out whether a given email address has an account with a service. That could be useful information to PRISM when looking for a t…
More info?
It goes further than just the error message. I think the original exploit was based on how quickly Unix would fail to login. (Bad user failed faster than bad password) and that allowed you to enumerate the user names.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
What? The police openly admitted after an investigation that this is the reason they let it continue for generations. I'm framing this in reference to the UK government claiming they need the information to prevent child trafficking while their track record indicates that even with data they ignored it for decades. Please save the hysteria and wild accusations for Twitter https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/sto…
Are there sources other then the police, who failed to act and have a vested interest in finding excuses? Because "the dog ate my homework" I mean "no, cause I didn't want to be racist" stretches credulity.
It was an independent investigation not performed by the police department. The link is in the article in my prior post.
Direct link is below:
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
If anything that's a bolder move considering everyone uses Whatsapp there and barely anyone uses iMessage
Both are very popular in the UK.
WhatsApp is used by 78% of the users in the UK, and iMessage is used by 25%.
https://www.statista.com/forecasts/997945/most-used-messenge... (non-free link)
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
To add to that, I can use the WhatsApp desktop app at work. Can’t do that with iMessage.
Why not? I do. Non Apple work machine?
Signing into your personal accounts on a work machine is a terrible idea, as it opens up your personal accounts to search if there is a lawsuit (against you or against the company). That's assuming it's not already strictly forbidden by the company rules to prevent you from sending yourself confidential data.
Also outside of programmers, IT, and designers, you rarely get a choice in the company issued laptop. It never makes sense for a company to issue more expensive Apple computers instead of ThinkPads or Dell computers.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be honest that sounds like both an idealised slogan and a sophism empty of logic. Can you expand upon how the advancements in western society since (say) WWII have been neccesarily dependant upon privacy?
> how the advancements in western society since (say) WWII have been neccesarily dependant upon privacy? Alan Turing. Hell, Tim Cook, a gay man who grew up in Alabama. Neither would have survived childhood with their personalities intact had their governments had the access No. 10 Downing demands. Privacy preserves society’s margins. The margins, by definition, are where change—growth—is nurtured.
To be clear, I'm in favour of privacy.
However your examples don't demonstrate how the many advances in western society depend upon privacy nor do they prove that it would not have advanced without privacy.
Alan Turing, for example, was open about his sexuality (an issue that bit him when a robbery took place long after his work at Bletchley).
Even had he been somehow taken out of the picture pre WWII it remains true that Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski would still have cracked the Enigma cipher, built the prototype Bombe's and passed that knowledge to the likes of Tommy Flowers and William Thomas Tutte.
Turing proved a result applicable to the third part of Hilbert's second problem, the Entscheidungsproblem.
He was very nearly beaten to that as a first by Kurt Gödel who provided an answer to the first two parts of Hilbert's second while indicating an approach to the third part.
Turing was beaten to the goal by Alonzo Church who demonstrated the halting problem for lambda calculus is not effectively calculable.
Later, in 1939 J. Barkley Rosser highlighted the essential equivalence of "effective method" defined by Gödel, Church, and Turing.
So, uhh, yes - it would be nice to see some notion of proof come to in to play here.
Re: Apple says it'll remove iMessage and FaceTime in UK rather than break encryption
#200Stuff like this is why I'm an Apple fanboy. I'm happy to pay a premium and be locked into their walled garden for some things if it means supporting a company that has the power to shift policy in favor of human rights (privacy in this case).
I hope they do this, I would not trust my govt (Brazil) with this power. Judges would use it all the time.