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Re: LazyVim

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Post by dcow »

p-e-w wrote: post #166
dcow wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cant stand VSCode anymore after using Zed[1]. I mean it was always clunky but there weren't better options. Now there is. 1: https://zed.dev Edit: I did use Helix for awhile (long enough to still have muscle memory for their editing model) but it’s just not there yet and eventually moved on to Zed.

I love the concept and engineering behind Zed, but considering how software startups tend to fare, there's just no way I'm going to mentally invest in a closed source dev environment. Even if they succeed commercially, chances are some day Microsoft just buys the whole thing and shuts development down a week later. No thanks.

The way I see it if Zed fails I just go back to VSCode and I’m no worse off than before. The nice thing about Zed is that it’s batteries included so it really isn’t hard at all to pick up. I did in maybe 15 minutes tops, seriously.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

p-e-w wrote: post #183
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More that you want to carve a bowl out of wood. Vim is like a knife that with some modifications you can turn into a carving knife. VSCode is like a chainsaw that has attachments that have been made for it and it also has bowl carving attachment. If you don't know your tools, then you can easily mess the knife modification and not end up with a carving knife. The chainsaw with ready made attachments is way easier to…

> The chainsaw with ready made attachments is way easier to get going, but in return you have to carry the chainsaw with you and if there are any problems with the tool itself you probably aren't going to be able to fix or modify it yourself. This is where your analogy breaks down for me. The "chainsaw" (VSCode) is absolutely perfect for the tasks I'm using it for. When I write Python code, the Python extension gives…

It does not break down.

Chainsaw is very good at doing chainsaw things.

If what you need to do is cut down bunch of trees then chainsaw is exactly what you need. No one in their right minds would start with a knife and start building it into a saw and then attach a motor to motorize it. Mind you we were carving a bowl, but as per Internet argument you completely dismissed the use case and inserted your own.

If VSCode does exactly what you need out of the box exactly how you want it to do it, then you are set and you should use VSCode.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by p-e-w »

mgdlbp wrote: post #169
p-e-w wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The amount of work needed not only to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to spend precious hours fixing obscure issues in Lua. "This airplane is the choice of professional pilots! The first thing we advise you to do is turn the y…

> Canada ... out of fuel Referencing the Gimli glider. But does vim have any analogous issue? In matters of technical correctness FOSS is usually the more exacting. You won't find a 1 TB hard drive full at 931 GB of used space on Linux, for example.

This was supposed to parody how some of Vim's default shortcuts just flat out do not work on non-US keyboards, because e.g. typing [ requires pressing AltGr+8 on German layouts, but Ctrl+AltGr+8 is not the same thing as Ctrl+[.

And yes, it was also a reference to the Gimli glider.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by [deleted] »

danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

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Re: LazyVim

#195

Post by bilekas »

This is cool and convenient but a bit bloated for my tastes.. It's taking forever to install, hangs and the usual Mason issues..

In my opinion there is no "One size sits all" configuration of vim that could be packaged up for mass adoption.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by majkinetor »

altonas wrote: post #76

LazyVim got me back into vim. After years of custom configs and/or heavily editing lunarvim and nvChad I was getting a bit burnt out but decided to give lazyVim a try, and I was absolutely blown away. For the first time a vim setup actually felt like a real IDE. It took about 60 seconds to go from having lazyvim installed to having a fully functional IDE that I could use at work in a real environment. That's the same…

I don't buy it. I have so many custom little quirks that no ammount of integrated out of the box setup is gonna replace it in 60s. Thats unrealistic. I believe its good, but it must be for certain class of working habits (for example, its probably great for those people that use vanilla anything, including vim).

Re: LazyVim

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Post by xeyownt »

p-e-w wrote: post #183
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More that you want to carve a bowl out of wood. Vim is like a knife that with some modifications you can turn into a carving knife. VSCode is like a chainsaw that has attachments that have been made for it and it also has bowl carving attachment. If you don't know your tools, then you can easily mess the knife modification and not end up with a carving knife. The chainsaw with ready made attachments is way easier to…

> The chainsaw with ready made attachments is way easier to get going, but in return you have to carry the chainsaw with you and if there are any problems with the tool itself you probably aren't going to be able to fix or modify it yourself. This is where your analogy breaks down for me. The "chainsaw" (VSCode) is absolutely perfect for the tasks I'm using it for. When I write Python code, the Python extension gives…

You get exactly the same functionality with (neo)vim plugins.

Only difference is that because vim has been open-source for decade, there are many many more plugins, and hence the choice is harder to make. VSCode also helped improve the (neo)vim experience (e.g. language servers)

Comparing VSCode and Vim is like comparing a standard calculator with an RPN one.

Re: LazyVim

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Post by S1M0N38379 »

I have been using LazyVim as my daily text editor/IDE on my 2014 Macbook Air for about 6 months. It is the only IDE that runs smoothly and provides good Language Server Protocol (LSP) and plugin support.

After delving into the configuration rabbit hole, I started prioritizing 'getting things done,' and LazyVim proved to be a good choice.

1. It is easier to disable a plugin than to configure it.

2. It's Vim, so it is fully customizable. For instance, I use it to write LaTeX and compile it upon saving using my preferred LaTeX compiler, thanks to LSP.

3. It's Vim, so my mental muscle are grateful.

The only aspect I feel could be improved is the AI-assisted experience. The available plugins cannot compare to Copilot X Chat on VSCode, so most of the time, I find myself switching between the editor and a browser window with a ChatGPT-like chat to ask for boilerplate code. However, I'm confident that the Neovim community will rise to the challenge (zbirenbaum/copilot.lua and jackMort/ChatGPT.nvim are good starting points).

Re: LazyVim

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Post by birds_are_drone »

For those s who want a nvim experience without the hassle of a config file as long as my arm : I warmly recommend you to try helix. Exploratory terminal based interface (much like zellij if you use that) , terminal based, fast as fk, minimal config required(just having the LSP in your path is enough) and the documentation is mostly complete.

Try it out

Re: LazyVim

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Post by lawn »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #142
danjac wrote: post #78

I've been using vim for years, switched to neovim, and at this point I'm ready to throw in the towel and just use vscode for anything beyond simple text editing. The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, even for commonly used languages such as Python or Javascript, is far too much for someone who wants to get on with their day job or hobby coding and doesn't want to sp…

> The amount of work needed to get a basic IDE up and running for your languages of choice, I don't think vim is meant to be an IDE. If you want an IDE, go get an IDE. If you want a text editor, vim works well. But vscode is unwieldy as a text editor, and vim is painful to contort into an IDE.

No, Vim can be an excellent IDE. Just not a "works out of the box" one.
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