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Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by judge2020 »

Macha wrote: post #150
raincole wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.

I'd be less sure about that, Valve has taken stances for reasons of public demand and/or their personal ethical standards (depending on what you believe) before, for example the ban on Blockchain games.

But not for Tyrone vs. Cops[0]

"When a game comes up as problematic, it gets flagged a bunch by steam users, and there's a meeting that takes place where they decide if these things stay on steam"[1].

0: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1853200/TYRONE_vs_COPS/

1: https://youtu.be/hDjxBrgtJXc?t=974

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by naet »

thrashh wrote: post #170
raincole wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.

I bet it's 2 because OP said they used "admittedly obviously AI generated from the hands" and a lot of AI generation makes really funky hands that you have to fix because it looks so bad. So it sounds like OP slapped some half-assed generated images into a game and tried to submit it. Valve now can't really trust someone that does that to have done any due diligence.

The OP's only other reddit post says that they want to start a corporation to avoid associating their name with the game, which is a pretty big red flag to me.

"I've been developing a game for a while now, and am near ready to release it on Steam. I'd prefer it not to be associated with my name (as in I'd prefer people googling my name and future employers being unable to find out i developed this game )."

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by pessimizer »

GreedClarifies wrote: post #187
a_cardboard_box wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or are engineers trying to destroy the livelihood of millions of artists, and lawyers are protecting it?

Smash the looms! Smash the looms!

Looms weren't trained unwillingly by the people they replaced. You're thinking about outsourcing.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by gabeio »

hyperhopper wrote: post #147
urda wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sounds like a cop-out. Adhering to legal and copyright standards isn't a "cop-out"

[flagged]

> ultra super conservatively cautious.

This has nothing to do with politics.

This has everything to do with CYA, the issue is AI trained with copyrighted material is a huge gray area and they don’t want to be in the gray area. That’s rational and has zero to do with “conservative”.

This is likely not set in stone and after the copyright laws and courts catch up and decide what to do, Valve will likely go back and update their policies accordingly.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

raincole wrote: post #144
kemayo wrote: post #9

> After reviewing, we have identified intellectual property in [Game Name Here] which appears to belongs to one or more third parties. In particular, [Game Name Here] contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. As the legal ownership of such AI-generated art is unclear, we cannot ship your game while it contains these AI-generated…

It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.

4. This is intentionally floated with nebulous veracity in order to gauge public reaction before making it official.

If so, the reaction I've seen is quite positive. Very unlikely though.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by bobthepanda »

naet wrote: post #193
thrashh wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet it's 2 because OP said they used "admittedly obviously AI generated from the hands" and a lot of AI generation makes really funky hands that you have to fix because it looks so bad. So it sounds like OP slapped some half-assed generated images into a game and tried to submit it. Valve now can't really trust someone that does that to have done any due diligence.

The OP's only other reddit post says that they want to start a corporation to avoid associating their name with the game, which is a pretty big red flag to me. "I've been developing a game for a while now, and am near ready to release it on Steam. I'd prefer it not to be associated with my name (as in I'd prefer people googling my name and future employers being unable to find out i developed this game )."

There’s a high likelihood that it’s probably pornographic or otherwise controversial.

Use copyrighted material in porn that you charge money for and you’ll get slapped with a lawsuit faster than you can load the home screen.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by pessimizer »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #16

Good luck enforcing this. You can generate textures all day with no evidence that they were AI generated.

You can also ban games from your platform for even the vaguest suspicion that they contain AI generated assets, or probably even for complaining about the policy.

Re: Valve is not willing to publish games with AI generated content anymore?

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Post by Animats »

eropple wrote: post #128
LanceH wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These tools have only now become available. I can imagine a game where these tools are used to develop a large world and backstory previously not possible. The main images and text may be hand crafted, but you might walk down a street where the other building are all unique, have names, and descriptions. It could really flesh out some of the procedurally generated games out there. Or it could be terrible. Or it could…

It's not being "rejected entirely". That is mendacious editorializing. Generative AI products are being rejected unless you affirm that you have rights to the entirety of the training data set . What's wrong with that?

That you probably don't need rights to the training set in the US, unless Congress changes copyright law. This is being litigated.[1]

Humans can look at a collection of copyrighted images and draw a new picture. The legal basis for holding AIs to a higher standard is weak.

Current litigation: [1]

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/16/23557098/generative-ai-ar...

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