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Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by justinclift »

edrxty wrote: post #60
claytonwramsey wrote: post #44

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The fastest way to learn how to make machinable parts is to machine them yourself :). DFM is often a hard-earned skill. Unfortunately maker-spaces (the only kinds of places where you could get cheap access to good 3+ axis CNC mills) seem to have gone out of fashion. CNC mills in general cost about 5 digits just for the machine, and usually that again for the tooling. I think the closest one can get to learning some D…

You can get into cnc the diy route for between ~$2k and ~$8k depending on the amount of rigidity you want. There are conversation kits available for common import mills to make the process relatively easy but the control and wiring isn't for the faint of heart. I built one out of a PM-833TV and it's taken years to get working well, and I probably should have just bought a used HAAS at this point, but if you build it…

Let me introduce you to the PrintNC, a kind-of-high-end hobbyist CNC:

* https://wiki.printnc.info/en/home

* https://github.com/threedesigns/printNC

* Discord invite: https://discord.gg/RxzPna6 It's "kind of high end" as it uses steel beams (not aluminium) for rigidity, so it's capable of driving some really powerful gear... fairly cheaply. :)

The US$2k you mention above would indeed be the practical lower bound.

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Post by imp0cat »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #152
smoldesu wrote: post #100

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Considering how we're talking about a manufacturer that famously installed anti-suicide nets for it's worker, maybe some time away from the factory would be a good thing?

They never had high suicide rates so no.

So, the nets work? ;)

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

redroyal wrote: post #135
DreamFlasher wrote: post #93

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Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".

I’m not a fan. Thinkpads have had magnesium enclosures since 2000. I don’t like the framework design or philosophy. You’d have to be insane to buy an Intel laptop for the same money as an ARM Macbook. This reusable thing doesn’t make a bit of sense to me either. Do you really want to be using a 10 year old chassis with new parts? What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care l…

>What’s the point of trying to save the environment when the other 8 billion could care less?

Because these other 8 billion think just like you. More and more people don't think like that anymore, and they miss you.

To get out of that gridlock, don't wait (because you aren't stuck in traffic: you're traffic).

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Post by diffeomorphism »

scarface_74 wrote: post #58
wpwpwpw wrote: post #4

Great that in some months there will be a high-end laptop that you don't have to throw in the garbage bin once a ram chip fries. High expectations.

My definition of “high end” in 2023 is a battery that last 14+ hours of general use, doesn’t sound like a 747 when I open two Chrome tabs side by side and won’t fry my nuts when I put it on my lap.

So low end counts as "high end in 2023"? Also, you probably want to include weight in there, otherwise 10 year old thinkpads with powerbridge easily qualify: 188Wh give you lots of time. Also any silent laptop + power bank.

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Post by gbil »

DreamFlasher wrote: post #93
scarface_74 wrote: post #58

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My definition of “high end” in 2023 is a battery that last 14+ hours of general use, doesn’t sound like a 747 when I open two Chrome tabs side by side and won’t fry my nuts when I put it on my lap.

Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".

running Windows or Linux ? If I remember correctly they had issues anyhow with power leak on standby from the expansion cards but under Linux battery life was much worst anyhow

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Post by diffeomorphism »

scarface_74 wrote: post #104
111111IIIIIII wrote: post #102

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Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)

I hate to be that guy. But why do you want a laptop for that? While my above list of requirements is basically implying a MacBook, if I wanted a really performant computer with a good GPU either internal or external for a high end use case, I would get a non-Mac desktop.

Because I don't want two devices? Your answer of "just buy another $1000+ computer" is a bit out of touch.

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Post by danpalmer »

Paul_S wrote: post #198

No ARM option? Also, the battery compartment is tiny. Put the two together and I'm guessing this is not going to run for long. Love the idea though. If I ever buy a laptop again it will be one of those.

I don't think the hardware or software are mainstream enough to make it work yet sadly.

There are ARM CPUs available, but they are mostly for servers or very low end devices, there's not a lot in the pro laptop market, and even if a low-end server chip could be repurposed, I don't know if the brand recognition would work, customers know AMD and Intel and what they're getting in terms of performance at different specs. That all works differently with ARM.

And then on the software side, Windows support seems... partial? Linux support is much better, but selling a laptop with only Linux as an option is a big step down in available market, and even Linux struggles with compatibility sometimes.

Apple's ARM chips are the only mainstream laptop/desktop class chips, but that's a completely distinct software and hardware ecosystem that neither Framework nor anyone else have access to.

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Post by Narishma »

Hextinium wrote: post #126
_2z1p wrote: post #117

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Gaming laptops are particularly prone to this because of all the heat they generate. Desktops have much better mechanisms for dealing with heat.

This is where buying "professional grade" does often save you. I have seen tons of Dell Latitudes and Lenovo Thinkpads that look like a black brick but are still going 5+ years later. They actually invested in thermals and it shows. (Written on a 7 year old Thinkpad).

Agreed. I'm typing this on a 15 years old Latitude that still works fine.
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