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French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

First they came for the Gilets Jaunes...

I know that that particular reply of mine doesn't help your particular case, but it was sickening to see how much of the supposed French people's liberties and citizens rights were broken back then and how most of the French intelligentsia was just cheering the government from the side.

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Yesterday the French government dissolved an environmental movement (which I don't like btw), amongst the reasons stated[0] are that they leave their phones at home or switch them off, refuse to talk to the police when arrested, or even that they organize their protest over the internet. When accused of authoritarian tendencies the government usually answers "go to China or North Korea to see what a dictatorship is l…

I was thinking about an uber or courier service that takes your phone for a walk Pretty much relying on the assumption that investigators will find stationary phones suspicious when they spy on you Could put them in those charging lockboxes seen as airports and festivals, the infrastructure is already there Guess I’ll market it to climate activists in europe lol edit: maybe those delivery robots are even better couri…

Just leave the phone on a bus, somewhere hidden. Then "find" it later, or call the bus service if need be.

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Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

> EU knows and complains about Poland & Hungary but France is going to be a shitshow of a far worse magnitude. I am French too and this sounds greatly exaggerated. Either you don't really know about the situation in Hungary or you have a very twisted view of what's happening in France (maybe induced by the medias). You should take a step back.

Gp made points, how do you see them as twisted and exaggerated?

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Under UK law rape can only be committed using a penis, so all men are potential rapists.

To clarify this; women in the UK can commit this offence as an accomplice, and anyone can potentially be convicted of the equivalent offence Assault by penetration ie. 'rape' with not a penis objects. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/rape-and-sexual-offenc...

That's still an absurd definition of rape.

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I have had well-educated French acquaintences telling me for a decade that France is ripe for a new system of government; the 6th in its history. Many current problems stem from the fact that post-war mechanisms written into the governmental system are abused by the president and elected leaders. E.g. presidential overruling of parlamental votes.

The fifth republic is the result of a coup by a military leader (De Gaulle) that was in talks with commanders of tank divisions to drive to Paris should he not be instated president and allowed to write his own constitution (written by Pierre Debré, a friend of his). It was ripe to burn since 1958.

Calling it a coup is highly debatable and debated. It happened outside of the scope of what the 4th happened, and it happened because the 4th had broken down and was not working anymore.

It should be noted that some of the main people who called to view it as a coup were people from other parts of the political spectrum who had other ideas of how it should happen and who should end up in power, including Mitterand (who ended up president of the 5th in 1986). These people however were also for the end of the 4th.

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For context: dissolution of far-right groups in France under center-left government, or generally before Macron were rare since the 90s. The reasons :

- trying to kill the president (under a right-wing president, when right-wing didn't actually meant authoritarian), - actually killing someone, - terrorism (found bombs and shit).

Dissolution of right wing groups under macron:

- massacring gays around the pride parade (OK, that one is deserved), - fighting, - training, - pretending/performative art (it was quite funny actually, I don't think it was on purpose but we laughed a lot)

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Now, the reality about the 'left up in arms' having no problem with authoritarian government and calling the police:

A left-wing media was dissolved in Nantes for giving informations about when the next protestation will happen (basically). Also they explained how to transform a fire extinguisher into a paint bomb, which isn't nice, but I mean, they weren't militia at all.

'funny to see the left up in arms'...

Left-wing people in France called out macron authoritarian drift way before regular conservatives, way before that

I think the facts are a bit against you. Your idea seems pleasant at first glance, but fail to meet reality. I thought it was a new trend, but I read a bit recently about political theory, and one fascinating things was that some political ideologies are declined from example and experience, from material conditions, and from that is drafted an ideal. Other are declined from an idea, then try to explain why the reality doesn't work like that (it's often because of the francs-maçons or the jew, but sometimes it's internal traitors).

I will let the reader guess which ideology is which.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

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Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

First they came for the Gilets Jaunes ... I know that that particular reply of mine doesn't help your particular case, but it was sickening to see how much of the supposed French people's liberties and citizens rights were broken back then and how most of the French intelligentsia was just cheering the government from the side.

> First they came for the Gilets Jaunes...

Actually, they came too late for the Gilets Jaunes!

> it was sickening to see how much of the supposed French people's liberties and citizens rights were broken back then

I agree with you, a bunch of idiots holding a whole country hostage was not at all what one would expect in a sane democracy.

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Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

As you can see from other replies: - the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk - that we closed libraries and forbade people from buying clothes in supermarkets - that Macron has been in charge of the country's finances for over a decade with horrid results (+600B€ in debt) - that Macron did everything he said he would not, and said a lot of things that would be treason in a reasonable civilization

We are the rooster that sings with it's feet deep in shite. It's gonna get ugly when it hits the fan.

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