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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by SanderNL »

ribosometronome wrote: post #79
SanderNL wrote: post #46

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Wouldn’t a properly prompted LLM be an OK mod?

I wonder what dang thinks about that for HN? I'm not sure how you would properly prompted LLM change moderating standards based on community feedback? Sticky threads for popular topics? Have the understanding of things like local politics or a newly released game in 2023 to be able to separate out bad faith discussion from real? Reddit isn't twitter where the main thing the mods do is remove abusive replies. They're…

Alright, I see. Reddit is not my thing, but I can see how this gets complex (and costly) fast.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by Havoc »

jedberg wrote: post #107
Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

The /r/science mods are all coming back on Monday, a decision they made a few days ago, before any threats were made. They are worried that if they got replaced, it would be with people who would destroy the community they worked so hard to build. I suspect a lot of communities, especially the smaller ones, feel the same way.

On the one hand I can understand it...but also that is such a feeble stance.

Mods that feel that strongly about protecting their community would do so much better in a federated context.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by LordDragonfang »

ramesh31 wrote: post #118
LordDragonfang wrote: post #67

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>There is massive friction to being able to post anywhere. Reddit would be objectively better with a less heavy handed approach to moderation Whenever I see this sentiment I'm honestly stumped as to how anyone's experience can be so different from mine. What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly al…

>What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly all of them get stuffed with off-topic and low-effort content, often actively breaking the community rules in the sidebar. That's the problem, it can be anything . No, I'm not going to sit down and read every single bullet point of your specific subreddit…

>No, I'm not going to sit down and read [...] the rules so that what I'm saying perfectly jives with your little cult [...or] step in line with what you're expecting. I'm just never going to bother joining this community now.

(pardon the edit, but I don't think it's a misrepresentation of what you said)

So in other words, you didn't actually want to participate in the community and the automoderation worked as intended to ward off someone who wasn't interested in following the rules used to curate a specific community. Subreddits who have aggressive automod rules are almost without exception ones that put them in place due to the excessive rule-breaking posts from outsiders, including ones exactly like you. Some of the subs enforce specific templates to filter out the flood of low-effort repeats from people who can't be bothered.

People who actually want to participate in the community will read the rules and stay. Anyone who's offended by being asked to do that probably won't be a positive contribution to the community anyway.

Also:

>auto-moderated with zero recourse. No, I'm not going to "revise my post"

You literally listed the recourse you were offered! In the next sentence! And said you refused it.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by avereveard »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

do you have any evidence backing the statement that moderation quality correlates with sub closure?

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by sharkweek »

a2tech wrote: post #104
sharkweek wrote: post #77

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I still use Reddit and I get that beloved people get fired for any number of reasons, but AMAs have been noticeably worse since Victoria’s time running them. I actually can’t think of more than a handful of examples of great AMAs the last few years. At one point it was a press stop for almost anyone famous doing a tour, and that doesn’t seem to be true anymore.

Actually this is a great example of wht they're going to get. AMA's used to be a GREAT use of Reddit when Victoria ran them. The questions were fresh and it was a very broad pool of people they interviewed. Since then they've either been 1) terrible 2) obviously pimping something or 3) a combination of both. They're not even worth reading and I stopped looking at them years ago.

Yeah Victoria did a good job queueing up a high quality experience for readers and the AMA participant when celebrities did do their press tours.

My guess is she trained the guests less familiar with Reddit on how to have a successful AMA (e.g., “don’t be Woody Harrelson”).

And because they were so successful, publicists were probably more willing to allow them to happen.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by ahepp »

none_to_remain wrote: post #135
revscat wrote: post #35

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This was my thought as well. To answer your question, though, I imagine bad faith actors of various flavors will be flocking the site: 1. Corporate marketing departments 2. Unpopular political/religious factions seeking to surreptitiously "move the needle" 3. Those who wanted to become mods before but didn't make the cut for completely valid reasons. Now they have an opportunity, only the quality will decrease as a r…

There's been no "make the cut". There's been first-come-first-served, followed by obtaining the favor of the first-come.

This is what I don’t understand about the claims that any next generation of mods would be incapable of doing the job.

I think it will be exactly like the current status quo. You see subreddit and mod drama happening all the time.

So many people want to moderate a local subreddit for Seattle that we have at least three different ones. The mod teams for each all have strong (and different) political views. But the threat of their community splitting keeps the mods acting fairly reasonable when in the public eye, because each seems to desperately want to be the Seattle subreddit.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by [deleted] »

Firmwarrior wrote: post #183
okeuro49 wrote: post #95

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> 2. Unpopular political/religious factions seeking to surreptitiously "move the needle" How would that be different from the status quo?

Comeon man. Sure, there's a lot of evidence that Ghislaine Maxwell was one of the elite super-mods and gently pushed acceptance of pedophilia, but it's all circumstantial at best

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by themaninthedark »

Maxion wrote: post #21
themaninthedark wrote: post #18

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It sounds to me like there are Top Mods who want to continue the boycott, with others who don't and that Reddit is looking at giving the other mods a path forward. One of the things I have noticed is that the boycott is not from the users but from the mods of the community. Even if the community had a vote, if you want to boycott fine but they are forcing others to go along with with them. So either they are not the…

Huh? All subreddits that have ran votes, the community has been in majority favor of closing.

I saw posts in threads here saying that some sub-reddits didn't have votes.

And the vote or not does not adress my point about forcing users who don't want to participate to have to.

If the majority of the users wanted to boycott, then if they don't go to Reddit.com, simple as that.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by nkuttler »

kazbars wrote: post #88

I think /u/spez needs to take a look at /r/maliciouscompliance. I cant see how actions like this wont lead to malicious modding to destroy the communities they helped foster.

That sounds like toxic work, any sane person would rather move somewhere else and do something productive, like building a new community, or find an entirely new hobby.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by fluidcruft »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

Does reddit care? Free labor that doesn't complain costs less.
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