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The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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Why not just play videos of previous demos as if it's news.

Because, just like the moon landings, people will deny they exist at some point.

I'm pretty sure that unless they witness it firsthand, the same people will deny it exists even with a live broadcast.

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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post #173

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Why not just play videos of previous demos as if it's news.

Because, just like the moon landings, people will deny they exist at some point.

People still deny that the earth is round. Doesn't really matter about the demos going on. Question, do moon landing deniers deny everything due to space? like do they think that the current SpaceX stuff is all cgi? What about the space shuttle? Or is it literally just going to the moon that they don't believe in?

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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> because it no longer makes economic sense to do so. The value of the oil and other resources would be less than the cost of maintaining control of the country That's always been the case. People used to just murder or enslave the populations they conquered. While you can get away with mass genocide and slavery internally, it has gotten far riskier to attempt such a thing against a neighboring state. It'll also dest…

> That's always been the case. People used to just murder or enslave the populations they conquered. I don't understand. Murdering or enslaving the population of the conquered country is a lot cheaper as a way to maintain control of it. So the fact that it's a lot harder politically to do those things now, than it was in the past, greatly increases the cost of maintaining control of a country. As the article says.

"Murdering or enslaving the population of the conquered country is a lot cheaper as a way to maintain control of it."

Depends on what you need the country for.

Nazis crushed the Czechoslovak state and executed any guerrillas caught fighting them, but they didn't mess with ordinary Czech workers, who were needed to keep the factories running. Mistreating qualified workers would decrease total industrial output and harm the German war effort.

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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> What is – quietly, because they haven’t tried to launch a major invasion recently – most militaries are probably similarly incapable of the basic tasks of industrial warfare? I once read an article that argued in the absence of war, it's impossible to tell if a doctrine or commander is good or not . Maybe you've got five officers up for promotion. One officer wants to give soldiers high-tech equipment, a heads-up d…

You can wargame and simulate. It's not perfect, but it can give very useful pointers, especially at the strategic level. The US Navy did extensive wargaming at the Naval War College in the inter-war years, from after WW1 to about 1933. The results were extraordinarily valuable in the Pacific when WW2 came about. The strategic issues the Japanese had can be seen as the consequence of not gaming full campaigns (as oppo…

The Youtube channel Drachinifel covers those war games, and the lessons the US learned (and didn't learn) from them in pretty extensive detail here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMK9a-vDE5zEmzgruoWAy...

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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Deveraux explicitly endorses (1) in the article: > If anything, I think cultural values have lagged, resulting in countries launching counter-productive wars out of cultural inertia (because it’s ‘the doing thing’ or valued in the culture) long after such wars became maladaptive. Indeed, I’d argue that’s exactly what Russia is doing right now.

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NATO expansion is a scapegoat for Russia's imperial conquests. They will latch on to any reason to justify the invasion of Ukraine. If I recall correctly, it was to take care of "Nazis" in Ukraine, right? But then they kind of stopped promoting that angle. Also they took Crimea, which understandably made a lot of Ukrainians very nervous.

Russia should have just not invaded Ukraine. I find it incredible that people try to justify that action on increasingly flimsy grounds.

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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You posted a lecture in which Mearsheimer says Russia will never try to conquer Ukraine, because "Putin is much too smart for that" -- and ask us to accept him as an expert?

Mearsheimer saw it coming and got it basically right. He predicted "Putin will wreck Ukraine" and this is happening now.

That is some pretzel logic right there.

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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You can wargame and simulate. It's not perfect, but it can give very useful pointers, especially at the strategic level. The US Navy did extensive wargaming at the Naval War College in the inter-war years, from after WW1 to about 1933. The results were extraordinarily valuable in the Pacific when WW2 came about. The strategic issues the Japanese had can be seen as the consequence of not gaming full campaigns (as oppo…

The Youtube channel Drachinifel covers those war games, and the lessons the US learned (and didn't learn) from them in pretty extensive detail here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMK9a-vDE5zEmzgruoWAy...

That's a different set of games. The Fleet Problems were LARPing with ships. This could be invaluable for understanding (some) tactical issues but could not apply to understanding prolonged campaigns (that would be too costly). For that, the Naval War College did tabletop/paper games, lasting up to months, that covered multiple engagements.

Fascinating free book that motivated these comments:

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/publications/publicati...

"Between 1919 and 1941, the U.S. Navy transformed itself from a powerful if unsophisticated force into the fleet that won a two-ocean war. The great puzzle of U.S. naval history is how that was accomplished. This book argues that war gaming at the U.S. Naval War College made an enormous, and perhaps decisive, contribution."

A whole string of vital lessons were learned during the gaming, which I can go into if you like (or you can read the book.)

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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I wonder what it says about a country's intentions if they feel threatened enough to kill tens of thousands of innocent people over them shifting towards joining a defensive alliance.

> defensive alliance I almost spit out my coffee I laughed so hard. That's how the alliance markets itself, but that's not how everyone in the world, especially their potential adversaries, perceives it. And its potential adversaries have been saying so, publicly, for decades. As I'm sure you understand, all military alliances, even if they start out defensive in nature, can easily become offensive in nature. > if th…

Whether they feel threatened or not still is no justification for their war in Ukraine. Not to mention their attempts to annex Donbas etc, or their annexation of Crimea.

Ukraine was no threat to Russia. By invading, Russia just proved to everyone else in the world that Russia is the threat.

Which interestingly leads to even more "Russophobia" because apparently having enough Russian speakers in your area is justification enough for Russia to come in and invade.

It's all ridiculous and shameful behavior on Russia's part. I feel bad for all those having to live under their current regime.

Re: The impact of the ‘long peace’ on modern military capabilities

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You posted a lecture in which Mearsheimer says Russia will never try to conquer Ukraine, because "Putin is much too smart for that" -- and ask us to accept him as an expert?

Not that I agree with the content of the lecture, but you have to read between the lines for that. "Putin is much too smart for that" is a stand in for "it would be very stupid for Putin to do this please don't" that looks like a compliment at surface level.

Here he is in February 2022 again saying they won't invade: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbj1AR_aAcE&t=4731s

At a certain point it sure looks like Russian apologism.

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