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High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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States should mandate that public universities use open textbooks. Federal government should make open textbooks, open journals, and FRAND licensing of patents mandatory as a condition of subsidies and other largesse like student loan guarantees.

That’s a good idea, and it should be paired with grants or some other compensation/support for people who develop those open books.

Yes. We should determine who has the ability to write books and then provide for their needs.

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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Guess what? You do not need to buy textbooks if you have a smart professor that cares and isn't into the racket. You can use 15% of a copyrighted work for educational purposes. That means you can pick and copy chapters from different books to cover the course material. All free!

A smart professor is the one who wrote the book they sell to their own class.

Right. Not only does that bastard Gil Strang keep updating with new editions, he also is the publisher!

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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One of my early tech jobs was working for a startup that created dynamic/randomized questions to go on a CD stuck in the back of text books. The same tech was used to create randomized online tests to go with the textbooks. Our biggest customer was Pearson, and once I realized the impact on students I was pissed. Completely eliminated sharing of books, and even simple things like group solving of problems since each student had unique problem sets.

Of course the same company fired me when I was fighting cancer, and then was acquired by Wimba. Oh and if T. Mack Brown reads this site, you can kiss my ass...

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Freshman year, first semester, I paid $1100 for books, and then we only actually used one of them more than slightly. This really bothers me. Universities hold themselves up as virtuous. Then students hire them to provide to provide an education. Instead of being agents for the students, the students are instead treated like a captive market. There is a very real conflict of interest in universities profiting off t…

It's complete bullshit You can now comfortably afford to hire a staff of PhD students to tutor you 1on1 in every subject you want to learn more cheaply than going to a university. So where the FUCK is all that money going?

Have just checked financials of one of the providers. It appears that at least 50% of it goes to Sales General and Administrative expenses. Those don’t include educator salaries, buildings, or material. Those are all “admin” expenses.

Oh and another 14% gets invested - buildings and securities.

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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The professor for the data compression class I took encouraged us to photocopy the pages from the textbook that we needed for the week. Turned out that he was the author and was very apologetic about the price of the textbook though he had no real control over it.

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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Here's a weird idea. Bundle materials into tuition expenses. It incentivizes the right people with the power and market participation to optimize for the right thing. Presumably, teachers and departments would have to justify costs from a materials budget to an admin forcing real downward pressure on the textbook market. The current state of textbooks acts like a surprise fee(dark pattern) where you purchase a produc…

Here's another weird idea, make everything older than 10yr free to digitally reproduce.

We cannot be funding things that are not truly new. I know that textbooks are well known for having multiple editions that pretty much just scramble the pages, but students should be able to map books around, and I bet that professors can also point out to the pages on older editions.

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Hang on there. A legal hazard is not necessarily a moral hazard.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_hazard

Fair enough. In context, it seemed the commenter was referring to individuals engaging in copyright infringement.

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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Here's a weird idea. Bundle materials into tuition expenses. It incentivizes the right people with the power and market participation to optimize for the right thing. Presumably, teachers and departments would have to justify costs from a materials budget to an admin forcing real downward pressure on the textbook market. The current state of textbooks acts like a surprise fee(dark pattern) where you purchase a produc…

> Here's a weird idea. Bundle materials into tuition expenses.

I think that's how it's done in the UK? I don't remember paying out the wazoo for my course books. If I did have to pay it would have been some nominal amount.

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Freshman year, first semester, I paid $1100 for books, and then we only actually used one of them more than slightly. This really bothers me. Universities hold themselves up as virtuous. Then students hire them to provide to provide an education. Instead of being agents for the students, the students are instead treated like a captive market. There is a very real conflict of interest in universities profiting off t…

It's complete bullshit You can now comfortably afford to hire a staff of PhD students to tutor you 1on1 in every subject you want to learn more cheaply than going to a university. So where the FUCK is all that money going?

Middlemen. Our economy has become increasingly more parasitic in all spheres.

Re: High prices make textbook ‘piracy’ acceptable to most students

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I came to America poor, and went straight to a public university, on scholarship and no money to even pay for food (grad seminars and special events with free sandwiches and pizza is how I learned about things like quaternions as an undergrad). But as an eastern European hacker, i had a complete disregard of copyright, I also grew up in the 90s when hacker ethos included strong anti-authoritarian elements. No way I w…

Oh man, back in my university it was the teachers themselves who provided the pirated materials. In Humanities it was the full scanned books, in STEM at least they always scanned at least the exercises so it wouldn't be necessary to get the specific edition.
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