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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by resolutebat »

tallytarik wrote: post #182
resolutebat wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

Out of curiosity, what did you prefer about the Tesla over the Polestar?

The minimalist cabin is the obvious one: it's more spacious and feels much more spacious thanks to the glass roof. I did have severe doubts about the touchscreen and lack of controls, but in practice this has been a non-issue, there are tactile controls for everything you need to actually drive and voice controls for everything you don't (climate, music, etc). The glove box is just stupid though.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

ChatGTP wrote: post #101

Imagine if Toyota would've just made a simple, but nicely build electric car 3-5 years ago. Pretty foolish mistake.

You can compare Tesla to Hyundai. I was leaning towards Hyundai or a Kia last month, mainly because of Tesla stigma here.

After comparing price (Hyundai/Kia 10% more) and features (lol) Tesla is easily a winner. Sure it's not for everyone, but driving traditional car feels weird now. Car without an app or phone key just feels unbelievable.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #174
ummonk wrote: post #151

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Why would HN people not care about sales in China?

Because they live in an alternate dimension with a peculiar market that's kinda bubbled off. China is also like a decade ahead in electrification. All scooters in large cities have been electric for over a decade (its a weird time warp coming to taiwan and experiencing the stench of scooter on your morning commute) They had a fully electric taxi service about 7 years ago. Inside the city medium size trucks (for deliv…

> All scooters in large cities have been electric for over a decade

A lot longer than a decade. But it depends on the city. Beijing electrified earlier (like 2004 or so), Shanghai followed, then you have smaller cities where gas was allowed for much longer.

> They had a fully electric taxi service about 7 years ago.

What city? Surely not Beijing. Maybe Shenzhen?

> Inside the city medium size trucks (for delivering merchandise to stores) are all electric.

I'm beginning to doubt you here. The delivery trikes are electric. But the small trucks that deliver merchandise to stores? Definitely not the blue trucks that are only allowed inside the 5th ring at night and cause air quality to tank after midnight.

> The international market is fragmentary and you can be arbitrarily extrajudicially curb stomped with tariffs or outright bands due to anti China hysteria

China's market is limited by their own protectionism. It is hard to tell someone to "open up" when you aren't willing to do the same yourself.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

Given Tesla and truck hate Cybertruck is going to be ultimate. Lucky they are making it from a solid steel.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

paxys wrote: post #153
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #125

Half of it is the buying process.

100%. Automakers go on about the "dealership experience", but I have never hated my life more than when trying to by a car at a local dealership. - Had a confirmed appointment but when I showed up I still had to wait 45 minutes. - Salespeople were clueless about the features of the car they were trying to sell. I knew more after 30 minutes of online research and had to constantly call out their bullshit. - The car I…

I've heard it's even worse if you want to buy an EV.

Dealerships make half their money from the service department. EV's require very little service. So they don't want to sell and EV, and it shows.

Go to a Ford dealer and try to buy a Mustang Mach-E and they'll try really hard to convince you to buy an ICE Mustang.

The worst dealership experience I ever had was when I was buying my first car back in 2003. I was 21 at the time, and I just wanted something reliable and efficient that I could carry friends in. I told sales people that it must have 4 doors, A/C, and under $10K. And one of them tries to sell me a Pontiac Sunfire convertible for $12K. I re-iterated what I was looking for. Reliable, efficient, 4-door, A/C, under $10K. He showed me an $13K Mustang. I thanked him for wasting my time and left.

Tesla makes is so damn easy. I had a similar experience as your friend. I spent 30 seconds minutes choosing the configuration (Model 3 Performance, blue, no FSD, black interior), filled out the online credit application, and a week later, picked up the car from the service center downtown. The delivery experience was just as simple. Just had to sign some final delivery paperwork and some DMV paperwork that was already printed and just needed a quick scan and signature. Less than 5 minutes, and the car was mine. I was blown away how fast it was. I literally said to the guy there, "That's it? The car is mine and I can drive away now?". I was incredulous.

Dealerships could easily make the experience this easy if they wanted, but no, they want to play games with you to fuck you over.

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Post by waffles4life »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #174
ummonk wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would HN people not care about sales in China?

Because they live in an alternate dimension with a peculiar market that's kinda bubbled off. China is also like a decade ahead in electrification. All scooters in large cities have been electric for over a decade (its a weird time warp coming to taiwan and experiencing the stench of scooter on your morning commute) They had a fully electric taxi service about 7 years ago. Inside the city medium size trucks (for deliv…

Is Hackernews just getting overrun by pro-Xi commentators that make up whatever they want now? Chinese air pollution is ridiculous, and it's primarily because of their massive amount of vehicle emissions:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526014/

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Post by deadmutex »

croes wrote: post #178
option wrote: post #170

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of which how many were electric?

Does it matter to BMW?

I think the point is that electric cars the digital cameras of today.

Consumers are shifting to EVs faster than expected, and it is catching some car makers (e.g. Toyota) flat footed.

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

resolutebat wrote: post #181
jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

> Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Which only makes this even more remarkable. What's going to happen when the Tesla 2 comes out and sells for the same price as a Corolla?

I’ve been waiting 10 years for this, gave up a while ago.

Nobody wants to sell electric cars for cheap, why throw away the margins you can get by selling them for more?

I don’t see a great opportunity for them to lower costs more on a cheaper model. Tesla already went through the exercise of making the cheaper version and people are paying premium prices for it anyway.

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